Re: Some guy that evidently wants to be removed from the mailing list

Long time lurker here. 

Email list servers and which one gramps-users should use is a valid subject of discussion. However, I believe it would be prudent to open a new thread or move it into a smaller off line discussion with someone reporting back here to the larger list. 

As a veteran of several discussions like this (vi vs emacs comes to mind), I’d like to see fewer opinions like “I had a bad experience with xyz” and more like “that list server does not maintain good archives and the admin interface is clumsy”. I am seeing that different users have different expectations about what a list server should do, and their opinions about whether a list server is good or bad are colored by those expectations. 

And just for my personal side note, I am on a couple of groups.io  lists and I maintain one. For our purposes of general email with reasonable subscription mechanics, they are reliable and work fine. 

-deborah bennett

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> On Sep 18, 2023, at 8:39 AM, Peter Flynn <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> On 18/09/2023 14:14, Nick Hall via Gramps-users wrote:
>>> On 18/09/2023 09:38, Peter Flynn wrote:
>>> I wonder what the "privacy reasons" were.
>> I'm not sure.  When I go to the user management section it displays
>> the message:
>> ---
>>> [...] it is no longer possible for project admins to view the
>>> member emails of their mailing lists.
> 
> Ambiguous: I wonder do they mean "email messages" or "email addresses"?
> 
>>> The SourceForge mailinglist admin pages for your project will allow
>>> you to remove a specific email address 
> 
> That sounds right...
> 
>> Using the admin page to remove an email address always gives the same
>> response:
>> "If that email address was on the list, it has now been
>> unsubscribed."
> 
> ...except that it's clearly untrue wrt Ken's address.
> 
>> This policy also makes migration to another provider difficult. The
>> best we could do is announce the new list address in the old list.
> 
> Yes, if you can't get a list of all subscribers, the game is up.
> 
> However, their excuse:
> 
>>> As a result of the latest electronic messaging and privacy
>>> requirements around the world,
> 
> sounds like they are using the GDPR as an excuse. Admins are permitted to see subject data, otherwise by now the entire planet's IT would have collapsed. I think sourceforge's worry is that they have no idea who the list admins are or what they would do. It's not the access that's the problem, it's the people having access :-)
> 
> Peter
> 
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