Re: Matrix IRC bridge considered harmful

Personally, my experiences with Matrix have been catastrophic so far. So
much
so that I'm convinced that Rocket.Chat, with all it's flaws and
misbehaviors, is
a better option on the long run.

The Riot application is hard to use. It took me days to figure out how to
connect
to a GNOME room. It doesn't allow me to log out of the servers. Fractal is
nice,
as I really like native clients, but Polari feels more polished. Matrix
apparently
doesn't allow turning off federation, and to me that's a no-go aspect of
it. At
last, I have a strong impression that Matrix suffers from feature bloat.

Rocket.Chat has been apparently more responsive to out contact, and even
accepted a few pull requests from us. I believe it has a brighter future,
specially
if a native GTK client shows up.

Em qua., 12 de fev. de 2020 às 16:07, Zander Brown <[email protected]>
escreveu:

> 🎉
>
> I've used the matrix bridge for years now (I'm generally only on irc "for
> real"
> to fix things after the bridge does crazy things like de-op me or change my
> nick without warning...)
>
> Matrix isn't perfect. matrix.org, the main "homeserver", regularly has
> high
> latency further exacerbated by the bridge. Hopefully hosting our own would
> avoid that
>
> I know there are some (possibly even the majority of people on this list)
> that
> will never move away from IRC for one reason or another so it does seem
> reasonable to allow IRC access to matrix (rather than the current
> matrix-to-
> IRC). I guess this would still have disappearing PMs but at least it has a
> chance of getting status right giving you a fighting chance
>
> RocketChat is a really nice idea but so far only the web/mobile clients are
> available which leave a lot to be desired whereas Fractal does the job for
> matrix (personally I'm a riot-in-firefox person though)
>
> My concern would be the "federal" nature of matrix where people don't need
> a
> gnome.org specific chat account to join a room. Whilst there are a lot of
> arguments for this I'm increasingly convinced it's an anti-feature
> especially
> if we want to enforce CoC (which, of course, we do)
>
> Zander
>
>
> On Wed, 2020-02-12 at 12:30 -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I just got an email from a new-ish contributor: "I sent you some PMs
> > about a week ago but I think you weren't online when I sent them so I'm
> > assuming you didn't receive anything." Problem is the Matrix IRC bridge
> > presents all IRC users as online, even when they're not. If an IRC user
> > is offline, it lets you send private messages, but they get *silently
> > dropped*. From Matrix, it appears as if the message was successfully
> > delivered, but it was never actually sent to IRC.
> >
> > Basically our chat has broken down into a dystopian scenario where
> > users message other users, thinking they've successfully sent messages
> > that were never actually sent. We've been living with this for a couple
> > years now and it's just not OK that we tolerate it. I have no way of
> > knowing how many messages I've missed due to this issue, but I'm sure
> > it's causing problems for newcomers who don't realize their messages
> > aren't being delivered.
> >
> > WORKAROUND: Matrix users should ask "you there?" whenever starting a
> > conversation, and assume your message was dropped unless you receive a
> > response. If you get a response back, then a human is reading, at least
> > initially. This applies to all stages of a conversation: if I sign off
> > IRC partway through a conversation, the Matrix user has no way of
> > knowing, so Matrix users must assume all messages sent to IRC after the
> > last message received from IRC may be unread.
> >
> > Anyway, a workaround is not a solution. Can we please either:
> >
> >  (a) Shut down the bridge to Matrix and force everyone to use IRC,
> > which actually works properly; or
> >  (b) Replace our IRC with an actual Matrix server, so we get native
> > Matrix. Matrix is very nice as long as you're not using the abysmal IRC
> > bridge, which is unfit for purpose.
> >
> > Personally, I think native Matrix would be a *lot* nicer than IRC, if
> > we have sysadmin time to get it set up, but I'm not going to be picky
> > here. I'd just like us to be able to trust that we're not missing
> > important messages.
> >
> > (Note I don't include rocketchat in the list of options because I don't
> > consider it a serious option when compared to Matrix, which has become
> > extremely popular and has a variety of client options: desktop Riot,
> > mobile Riot, fractal, or whatever UI you prefer, sure to keep almost
> > everyone happy. Or use the reverse IRC bridge, which I can only hope is
> > not as awful as the bridge we're using now.)
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
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