Re: Aspell-user Digest, Vol 53, Issue 9

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>   1. Re: suggestions with confidence levels (Ethan Bradford)
>   2. Regarding Edit Distance function (Jon P. Grewer)
>   3. Re: Regarding Edit Distance function (Kevin Atkinson)
>   4. Re: suggestions with confidence levels (Kevin Atkinson)
>   5. Re: suggestions with confidence levels (Amit Khemka)
>   6. Re: suggestions with confidence levels (Kevin Atkinson)
>   7. Re: suggestions with confidence levels (Amit Khemka)
>   8. Re: suggestions with confidence levels (Amit Khemka)
>   9. aspell 0.60.5 / dansk dictionary: returning lines starting
>      with question mark characte (Daniel Sippel)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:10:11 -0700
> From: "Ethan Bradford" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Aspell-user] suggestions with confidence levels
> To: "Amit Khemka" <[email protected]>
> Cc: [email protected]
> Message-ID:
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> On 4/25/07, Amit Khemka <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> On 4/25/07, Amit Khemka <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > On 4/24/07, Ethan Bradford <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > > It doesn't do this out of the box, but if you implement patch 
>> > > 1489981,
>> it
>> > > will.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Thanks :-), let me get a look !
>> >
>> > cheers,
>>
>> Hi, finally I got the patch working with python bindings !
>
>
> Very good!
>
> I have another query:   Given a word and its possible suggestions how
>> can I decide that anything with less than score 50, is a good
>> replacement candidate ! Or say if the score of the first suggestion is
>> 200 rather than picking that as a possible alternative i rather ignore
>> it.
>>
>> May be knowing the way these scores are calculated would help, or else
>> i guess i will have to use some heuristics.
>
>
> Empirically, just from looking at several  lists of spelling suggestions, 
> I
> came up with a cut off of 130.
>
> The biggest advantage I got from the score was in knowing when the top
> suggestions had the same score, and thus could be reorganized based on 
> other
> criteria (I have a rough estimate of frequency from another source).  When
> the scores are different, I almost always use their ranking.  The fudge
> factor I put in to allow frequency to override this is to raise the ratio 
> of
> the scores to the 20th power and compare that to the ratios of the
> frequencies.
>
> cheers,
>> amit.
>>
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> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:27:17 -0400
> From: "Jon P. Grewer" <[email protected]>
> Subject: [Aspell-user] Regarding Edit Distance function
> To: [email protected]
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> I read in the documentation that the edit distance function has been
> modified to take into account swapped letters.  Does it only consider
> adjacent  swaps or all swaps?
>
> Regretfully I am unable to understand the C code.
>
> Kind regards,
> --Jon Grewer
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:17:34 -0600 (MDT)
> From: Kevin Atkinson <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Aspell-user] Regarding Edit Distance function
> To: "Jon P. Grewer" <[email protected]>
> Cc: [email protected]
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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> On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Jon P. Grewer wrote:
>
>> I read in the documentation that the edit distance function has been 
>> modified
>> to take into account swapped letters.  Does it only consider adjacent 
>> swaps
>> or all swaps?
>
> Adjacent
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:38:50 -0600 (MDT)
> From: Kevin Atkinson <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Aspell-user] suggestions with confidence levels
> To: Amit Khemka <[email protected]>
> Cc: [email protected]
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
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> On Tue, 24 Apr 2007, Amit Khemka wrote:
>
>> I am using aspell  0.60.3 ( with python bindings) for generating
>> possible suggestions of a wrongly spelled word. It returns a sorted
>> list,
>
> By sorted list do you mean, alphabetically?
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:30:32 +0530
> From: "Amit Khemka" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Aspell-user] suggestions with confidence levels
> To: [email protected]
> Message-ID:
> <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 4/26/07, Kevin Atkinson <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Apr 2007, Amit Khemka wrote:
>>
>> > I am using aspell  0.60.3 ( with python bindings) for generating
>> > possible suggestions of a wrongly spelled word. It returns a sorted
>> > list,
>>
>> By sorted list do you mean, alphabetically?
>
> Nopes, sorted by some kind of 'score'  or closeness to input word.
>
> -- 
> ----
> Amit Khemka
> Home Page: www.cse.iitd.ernet.in/~csd00377
> Endless the world's turn, endless the sun's Spinning, Endless the quest;
> I turn again, back to my own beginning, And here, find rest.
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>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:03:50 -0600 (MDT)
> From: Kevin Atkinson <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Aspell-user] suggestions with confidence levels
> To: Amit Khemka <[email protected]>
> Cc: [email protected]
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
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> On Thu, 26 Apr 2007, Amit Khemka wrote:
>
>> On 4/26/07, Kevin Atkinson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 24 Apr 2007, Amit Khemka wrote:
>>>
>>> > I am using aspell  0.60.3 ( with python bindings) for generating
>>> > possible suggestions of a wrongly spelled word. It returns a sorted
>>> > list,
>>>
>>> By sorted list do you mean, alphabetically?
>>
>> Nopes, sorted by some kind of 'score'  or closeness to input word.
>
> That's what it should do, just making sure that the python wrapper wasn't
> sorting them alphabetically.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:36:25 +0530
> From: "Amit Khemka" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Aspell-user] suggestions with confidence levels
> To: [email protected]
> Message-ID:
> <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 4/26/07, Kevin Atkinson <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2007, Amit Khemka wrote:
>>
> <snip>
>> >> > I am using aspell  0.60.3 ( with python bindings) for generating
>> >> > possible suggestions of a wrongly spelled word. It returns a sorted
>> >> > list,
>> >>
>> >> By sorted list do you mean, alphabetically?
>> >
>> > Nopes, sorted by some kind of 'score'  or closeness to input word.
>>
>> That's what it should do, just making sure that the python wrapper wasn't
>> sorting them alphabetically.
>
> Aspell is working perfectly, its only that i wanted some  additional
> 'score' information for post-processing .
>
>
> -- 
> ----
> Amit Khemka -- onyomo.com
> Home Page: www.cse.iitd.ernet.in/~csd00377
> Endless the world's turn, endless the sun's Spinning, Endless the quest;
> I turn again, back to my own beginning, And here, find rest.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:41:33 +0530
> From: "Amit Khemka" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Aspell-user] suggestions with confidence levels
> To: [email protected]
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 4/25/07, Ethan Bradford <[email protected]> wrote:
> <snip>
>> > I have another query:   Given a word and its possible suggestions how
>> > can I decide that anything with less than score 50, is a good
>> > replacement candidate ! Or say if the score of the first suggestion is
>> > 200 rather than picking that as a possible alternative i rather ignore
>> > it.
>> >
>> > May be knowing the way these scores are calculated would help, or else
>> > i guess i will have to use some heuristics.
>>
>> Empirically, just from looking at several  lists of spelling suggestions, 
>> I
>> came up with a cut off of 130.
>>
>> The biggest advantage I got from the score was in knowing when the top
>> suggestions had the same score, and thus could be reorganized based on 
>> other
>> criteria (I have a rough estimate of frequency from another source). 
>> When
>> the scores are different, I almost always use their ranking.  The fudge
>> factor I put in to allow frequency to override this is to raise the ratio 
>> of
>> the scores to the 20th power and compare that to the ratios of the
>> frequencies.
>
> Sounds Interesting, I need it for some similar purpose. I think i will
> need to find my own parameters. Thanks for your inputs ( and the patch
> ) !
>
> cheers,
> ----
> Amit Khemka
> Home Page: www.cse.iitd.ernet.in/~csd00377
> Endless the world's turn, endless the sun's Spinning, Endless the quest;
> I turn again, back to my own beginning, And here, find rest.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:07:11 +0200
> From: Daniel Sippel <[email protected]>
> Subject: [Aspell-user] aspell 0.60.5 / dansk dictionary: returning
> lines starting with question mark characte
> To: [email protected]
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15
>
> Hello!
>
> I have a problem concerning aspell 0.60.5 in combinition with dansk 
> dictionary aspell-da-0.50.1-0.tar.bz2
>
>
> Aspell gives two lines beginning with a "question mark" ? character as 
> result. The programm which is trying to interpret the result fails with 
> exception. I read the aspell developers documentation and got to know, 
> that the result lines should start with *, & or #.
>
> "OK: *
> Suggestions: & original count offset: miss, miss, ...
> None: # original offset"
>
>
> Why does aspell return some lines starting with the question mark 
> character as result? This only happens when using the dansk dictionary, 
> the german and the english spell checking is working correctly.
>
>
> Please see shell output for details.
>
>
>
> Thanks for helping,
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> aspell -a --lang=da_DK -H < /tmp/aspell_data_XOYGeP 2>&1
>
>
> @(#) International Ispell Version 3.1.20 (but really Aspell 0.60.5)
> *
>
> ? LASTNAME 0 17: LAST
> & EMP 8 33: EM, EP, LEMP, BMP, EMS, EMU, ESP, YMP
> & BIRTHDAY 2 37: BIRTHA, BIRTHAS
> & EMP 8 53: EM, EP, LEMP, BMP, EMS, EMU, ESP, YMP
> ? FIRSTNAME 0 57: FIRS
> & Ich 3 74: Dich, Mich, Ih
> & bin 35 78: bind, Bina, Bine, Bing, bien, bon, vin, bi, in, bid, Ben, 
> Bia, Bic, Bie, Bit, Fin, Lin, Tin, ban, ben, bie, bil, bio, bip, bis, bit, 
> bøn, din, fin, gin, hin, lin, min, pin, sin
> & ein 29 82: Eina, Eino, Elin, Erin, Evin, en, in, én, Hein, tein, Eia, 
> Eik, Fin, Lin, Tin, din, egn, eis, evn, fin, gin, hin, lin, min, pin, sin, 
> tin, vin, yin
> & falsches 11 86: falses, galoches, falskes, falsedes, falsenes, frosches, 
> kaleches, Falsters, fastes, Falster, fastres
> & WÃ 24 95: EA, A, W, Å, EWA, OWA, CA, DA, DÅ, FA, FÅ, GÅ, HA, JA, LA, LÅ, 
> MÅ, NÅ, PÅ, RÅ, SÅ, TÅ, WC, W'S
> & rt. 27 98: Rit, Rut, et, r's, rat, ret, ry, råt, ét, R, T, BRT, art, 
> urt, ært, IT, NT, Ro, at, it, re, ri, ro, ru, rå, æt, r'et
>
>
>
> //Input file:
>
> %
> ^A
> !
> ^<P><BR><BR>LUCS LASTNAME<BR><BR>EMP BIRTHDAY<BR><BR>EMP 
> FIRSTNAME<BR><BR>Ich bin ein falsches Wört.</P>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> //everything is fine
> aspell -a --lang=de_DE -H < /tmp/aspell_data_XOYGeP 2>&1
>
> @(#) International Ispell Version 3.1.20 (but really Aspell 0.60.5)
> *
>
> & LUCS 24 12: LUCHS, LUGS, LUD, LOCHS, FLUCHS, GLÜCKS, ULKS, LUGST, LÜGST, 
> BUCHS, FUCHS, LACHS, LACKS, LECHS, LECKS, RUCKS, WUCHS, LUG, LOS, LOKS, 
> FLUGS, BUGS, LOCH, LÖSS
> & LASTNAME 15 17: LAST NAME, LAST-NAME, HOSTNAME, FESTNAHME, LÄSTERE, 
> LASTKAHN, LÄSTERTE, LÄSTERNDE, PFADNAME, LATERNE, MAßNAHME, SYSTEMNAME, 
> LÄSTERNS, LÄSTERND, LÜSTERNE
> & EMP 6 33: EM, EMMA, ENG, MB, NEPP, HEMD
> & BIRTHDAY 30 37: BRITE, BIETET, BITTET, BIETE, BITTE, BORTE, BARTES, 
> BIERTISCH, HIRTE, BIRKE, BIRNE, BÄRTE, WIRTE, BRIETET, BEIRRTET, BIERE, 
> BEIRRTE, BILDES, BIRNEN, BOHRTE, IRRTET, VIERTE, BRUTEI, PARTEI, IRRTE, 
> BIEREN, ZIERDE, GIERTE, WIRRTE, ZIERTE
> & EMP 6 53: EM, EMMA, ENG, MB, NEPP, HEMD
> & FIRSTNAME 9 57: FIRST NAME, FIRST-NAME, FESTNAHME, FORSTMANN, 
> FORSTMANNES, FORSTMÄNNER, WORTSTÄMME, FIXSTERNE, SYSTEMNAME
> & WÃ 14 95: WAL, WAR, WAS, FA, TWA, SA, WC, WM, CA, DA, JA, MA, WG, WO
> & rt 12 98: RTC, RTL, Rat, rot, rät, et, Art, Ort, AT, St, kt, lt
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