Re: Inkscape can be extremely frustrating

It's essentially Patrick's suggestion from the bug report Brynn provided,
but with the addition of a third "rule" that says what to do if an object
is about to be drawn in a way that would render it invisible. The third
rule could be added to the existing bug report, although that one is
already a bit "wordy", so perhaps it might be worth opening a new issue
with this entire proposal stated succinctly, then linking the original bug
to the new one.

Mark


On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 12:20 PM, brynn <[email protected]> wrote:

> There's a bug report for avoiding new users making invisible objects
> because of the last used style.  I shared it in my first message in this
> thread.  This is that report:
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1704777
>
> However, I've gotten a bit lost in the technical discussions, so I'm not
> sure if the topic is still on this same solution as proposed in the above
> report.  So fwiw  :-)
>
> brynn
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 4:05 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] Inkscape can be extremely frustrating
>
> This suggestion sounds reasonable to me.
>
> Mark, do we already have a bug report for it, where this can be laid out
> in detail?
>
> Maren
>
> Am 10.09.2018 um 11:56 schrieb Mark Crutch:
>
>> I often push the boundaries of Inkscape and SVG, in order to hide Easter
>> eggs in my comics, or when researching my Full Circle Magazine
>> tutorials. But even I can't think of a time when I've ever intentionally
>> *drawn* an invisible object.
>>
>> There are plenty of times when I've drawn an object and then
>> intentionally made it invisible (e.g. for text on a path or, most
>> recently, when creating a SMIL animation path for my next tutorial), but
>> I always draw them as visible objects first.
>>
>> There are too many ways that an object could be "invisible" to catch all
>> cases, but a simple rule of thumb might be that if both the fill and
>> stroke are set to "none", have an alpha value of zero, or the object's
>> opacity is zero, that the tool's default style is used. Combined with
>> the earlier proposal about reverting to the tool's own style on
>> start-up, this would lead to the following behaviour:
>>
>> 1) On starting Inkscape, creating a new image, or loading an existing
>> one, all tools are set to "tool's own style".
>> 2) While working on a document, "last used style" is used (unless the
>> prefs are set to always use "tool's own style").
>> 3) When a drawing tool is selected and the drawn object would be
>> invisible (based on the heuristics above, and perhaps some others), the
>> "last used style" is modified to match the "tool's own style".
>>
>> It still wouldn't catch all cases - consider an alpha that's set close
>> to, but not quite zero - but I think an approach like this would help
>> new users whilst not particularly getting in the way of experienced users.
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
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