Re: Re: Reply To: Sodipodi / *nkscape...

markus hammer wrote:
> just a note i as a user of debian unstable are still stuck with the old
> sodipodi whereas the inkscape using the same boolean operations as the
> actual release of sodipodi is available. additionally inkscape finally
> came around to make the property windows float above the document,
> instead of being hidden behind it. 

So does 0.34 for me. The windows don't hide behind the document window 
like they used to.

I have informed the evo that he should update to 0.34 for Debian unstable.

> see it as a fact that you have some competition now. another thing. i
> dont know what the sodipodi main toolbar is about, its just a hassle to
> go there and select the tool i need. i dont know why but its just my
> impression. 

I agree, it takes more thinking than it should for the main toolbar, but 
the same applies to Gimp for me. It's what Sodipodi interface wants to 
be comparable to.

> and btw. sodipodi may be a cool name, but let me ask you all one thing -
> if you say sodipodi to someone, what will the person think - will the
> person associate a vector editing tool with it? i guess no. so much to
> the reason why inkscape got so much attention. 

Yeah, I told it to a German buddy and he thought it was a porn movie. I 
said: "ummm, no." :)

> point three - they switched/wanttoswitch to c++. honestly doing large
> scale projects in C is shooting yourself in the foot. i am no
> professional programmer, but when C++ offers a class structure that
> doesnt need obscure hacks like gtk+ C with its gobject stuff (big mess
> imho, turning off lots of people with its really unelegant style of
> programming) this really raises the bar for the skills needed to work on
> a large scale project like this. of course they (will) get more
> programmers simply beause they try to make an effort to clean up the
> source code in such a way, that hacking on it gets easier and progress
> comes faster. to just describe my view on gtk/C. i shed out the money to
> buy the german version of programming gnome2.0, i have some knowledge in
> C but no real CS education. after reading around 100 pages i am asking
> myself if all this stuff is worth it, or if i should switch to C++/gtkmm
> or even QT, just because they have a more open - not strictly for CS
> student style of approach.

This I disagree with completely. Gtk/C works fine for any size project. 
Gtk is designed to work around the classic limitations of C in terms of 
objects. Huge things like Evolution are in C. It works fine.

> so i either would like to see a merge of the two projects. inkscape is a
> much better name for users, and they seem to care about menu
> organization, how the property windows behave and other stuff. it's just
> my two cents but personally i like the inkscape approach much better.

So did the developers, which is why the fork happened. Now it's a bit of 
a mess that only time can resolve.

--Pat


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