Re: Setup of a new wiki - the beginning of a stronger userbase?

Ok, I simply have to ask...  Why do you need an mp3/ogg player, a DVD player,
firefox, and thunderbird before you can use Y as a desktop host to write more
Y?  I wouldn't think that any of those are considered to be development tools?

I would agree if you mean "before [you] can use Y as a desktop host", but the
"to write more Y" limits it to a level where multimedia tools really do not
seem relevant :)

	Kris

On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 11:51:06PM +0000, Phil wrote:
> Andrew Suffield wrote:
> >There is not a need for users to write low-grade documentation. There
> >shouldn't *be* any users, and there's nothing worth documenting right
> >now.
> 
> If there are any users, I'm very very surprised.  Before I can use Y as 
> a desktop host to write more Y we need:
> 
> * to review and refine most of the existing code (this is why there is
>   nothing which is currently worth documenting)
> * a fully-working terminal (this may just be a keymap problem, but Ctrl
>   doesn't work for me at the moment).
> * gvim
> * an mp3/ogg player
> * a DVD player
> * firefox
> * irc/IM client
> * thunderbird
> * a Y video driver that renders to a Y widget (a la Xnest)
> * accelerated drivers for my video card
> 
> So, only ten things.  Should be easy enough...
> 
> I wouldn't suggest that anyone else starts to use Y before at least one 
> of the developers does -- until then there are going to be a _lot_ of bugs.
> 
> There are some things which I think could usefully be put on the web if 
> someone feels like doing the work:
> 
> * A page with instructions on how to pull the latest version of Y from
>   arch, including the locations of the main repositories.
> * An archive of the tla logs and diffs from the main repositories.
>   You'll need local mirrors of the archives to do this efficiently.
> * It would be cool to have a tla archive explorer, to show the latest
>   versions of the various Y files in the core repositories and the
>   relationships/differences between them.  tla users can do all this
>   from the command-line, but a good web interface might be easier to use
>   for new users/developers.  Again, you'll need local mirrors of the
>   archives to do this efficiently.
> 
> I agree with Andy that there is nothing much worth writing down at the 
> moment -- every line of code is probably going to change before Y 
> becomes usable.
> 
> That said, I would like to know of any bugs in either the trace engine 
> code I added over the weekend or the new buffer-checking ymalloc/yfree. 
>  If someone with time on their hands would like to write a more 
> comprehensive automatic test suite for those functions I would 
> appreciate it.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Phil
> 

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