EEPROM Parts (Was: Re: Flashboard questions...)

June:

If I remember correctly (its been awhile since I looked at an EEPROM
data sheet), EEPROM needs some pretty hefty voltages for the erase
and write cycles -- voltages that don't exist in the Jornada
currently.  If that is the case, flash is easier to use because it
doesn't need those voltages.  If you can find some EEPROM that is a
128Mbit or 256Mbit part organized in a x16 array that is cheaper
than flash and doesn't need programming voltages, I'd be quite
willing to look at using the part.  I would really like it to be a
BGA instead of TSOP (BGA has a much smaller physical footprint).

I've looked at the BGA flash and RAM parts and they take up less
than half the space as the original TSOP parts!  Leaves me some
room for one of those "surprises" I want to add....

Regards,
-MarkG


June Tate-Gans wrote ..
> That being said, has anyone stopped to consider using EEPROMs instead
> of Flash? Last I checked those were a bit easier to program on-board.
> =o)
> 
> On 11/8/06, June Tate-Gans <[email protected]> wrote:
> > The WRT54G is addressing the card in a serial manner through some
> > other native interface on the boards (in their case, they're using the
> > GPIO pins on the CPU -- something we don't have direct access to
> > through the ROM board).
> >
> > The trick here is that the ROMs act as main system memory -- they are
> > directly addressable by the CPU as a memory space (which,
> > incidentally, is why Linux can't boot after a shutdown or reboot --
> > memory address 0x00000000 is literally the beginning of the ROM), and
> > we do not have the niceties of GPIO pins to prepare and use the SD
> > card before the CPU turns on/while it's running.
> >
> > To integrate SD/MMC cards into the Jornada's architecture would
> > require all kinds of weird workarounds because SD/MMC memory is
> > accessed serially instead of directly like traditional RAM. The SD/MMC
> > design requires you to send several things all in serial:
> >
> >   1. Send the SD/MMC card address
> >   2. Send the address offset in the SD/MMC
> >   3. Send/recieve your data
> >
> > Note that before you can even approach this, you have to have
> > /assigned/ the address to the SD/MMC card before you can really talk
> > to it. Keep in mind that this is the only /feasable/ way you can talk
> > to an SD/MMC card -- there is no other cost effective method (native
> > SD mode costs mucho $$$ and still isn't a solution that is viable
> > since it's also not directly addressable). CF cards, on the other
> > hand, have similar issues as they are literally designed to emulate
> > the ATA interface provided by PCMCIA in a smaller package -- which is
> > why you can stick a CF into a PCMCIA card reader and read it just like
> > a typical ATA disk.
> >
> > Traditional addressable memory is addressed in a much simpler fashion:
> >
> >   - Write the address to the address portion of the memory bus
> >   - Read/write your data
> >
> > Note that both of these operations typically happen in the same CPU
> > cycle, whereas the SD/MMC method would require several cycles to
> > complete. Because of this fundamental difference, you would likely end
> > up with timing issues as well. Keep in mind, I'm not saying it's
> > impossible, but it would be considerably more complex than using a set
> > of flash chips built onto a new board, and would be much less stable.
> >
> > On 11/8/06, Chris Davis <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Ok, but you are missing my point, then..  There are different modes
> of connecting memory cards to devices than ide.  Just look at the Linksys
> wrt54g SD card mod.  That router DOES NOT have anything resembling a IDE/ATA
> interface.
> > >
> > > While Compact flash is based on a IDE type interface, SD cards are
> not.
> > >
> > > -------------
> > > Subject: RE: [jornada] Flashboard questions...
> > >    From: "Tim Underwood" <[email protected]>
> > >    Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:24:48 -0600
> > >      To: <[email protected]>
> > >
> > > To use a SD/CF/etc card requires an ATA interface.
> > >
> > > Simply not available on the ROM board or flash board.  That's a whole
> > > different animal.  The ROM/mem board is just that - memory.  The OS
> does
> > > some magic to make the ROM magically appear in RAM (kinda similar to
> a
> > > RAM disk - but it isn't).
> > >
> > > To read/write mem cards is completely different, and a completely
> > > different circuit and interface methodology.  You can't just unsolder
> > > the ROM, and solder on a connector to put in an SD/CF/whatever card.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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