Re: opie trademark

George France wrote:
> Lorn,
> 
> You have been complaining and trying to upset folks for almost two weeks now.  
> I have let this go on long enough  There are lots of solutions.  I and others 
> even proposed several of them:

Excuse me, it is YOU (as in GF and handhelds.org) whom are upsetting the 
most folks here! I am just the one being vocal about it, because I have 
spent 5 years of my life promoting and working in the project.

What makes you think you have the right to steal Ben's free and open 
source project name? hh.org is a frickin HOSTING service. You do NOT own 
OPIE! Who gave you the right to the name Opie?

YOU (and whatever lawyer(s) decided they needed to trademark names they 
have no right to) are the one who is doing all this to us and your 
community. I am merely speaking up.

> 
> 	1)  follow the trademark policy and get a license.

you (hh.org & you) don't rightfully own the trademark, and it is not yet 
registered, nor even reviewed.

> 	2) I initiated talks with Benjamin Long about the possibility of assigning 
> the opie tradename to him which you torpedoed.

You were going to give the trademark to its rightful owner until I spoke 
up about the injustices.. good one. Time to fire your lawyers.


> 	3) change the name of the opieII project.

ever hear of xemacs and emacs? wow two similiar open source projects 
with similiar project names... whoda thunkit?

There are 204 trademarks with Linux in their names, several are of the 
software field, and actually use the word "Linux".

Oh, and I suppose you don't know about the other Opie software, hey?? 
The one that was in existence before the opie project at hh.org?

oh and this one too!
http://www.oandp.com/opie/



> 
> It appears to me that you are only making posts to stir up trouble with no 
> intent of being constructive or collaborative.   You are about to be banned 
> from this mailings list.  It is up to you.  You can be part of the solution 
> or you can try to keep the hostility going.  Your choice.
> 

and you are being being constructive or collaborative? who reviews YOUR 
conduct? "Be respectful." You even tried to claim irc channels as 
belonging to hh.org!

I (and many others that I am speaking in behalf for) believe you have 
unjustly and wrongly stolen the name of projects that hh.org only hosts! 
It goes against the spirit of open source, and it disgusts me. 
Especially after 5 years of promoting handhelds.org and defending it and 
opie.


You are not a part of the Opie project. Never were. Never contributed to 
it, aside from hosting it at the handhelds.org website. You probably 
have never even used it.

This whole thing has really saddened and disheartened me. It's really 
rather pathetic.

You have a long road ahead of you defending your "trademarks" as there 
are thousands of instances of "ipkg" and others... but hey, your 
attorneys need to eat too.


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