RE: Re: Shadow Alterntive - Redux.

I'll put in my vote for Android.  My four year old Treo 650 was on its last
leg and my wife insists we stay with Verizon.  So a week ago I made the
switch to a droid.  I'm still using shadow on my desktop but I'm slowly
trying to move at least parts of the function to Android.  I'll still be
following the development here (I'm one of the moderators) and I will
volunteer in a minute to beta the new Android Shadow Plan as soon as Jeff
starts on it.

 

If there are any other folks moving from Palm to Droid I would love to hear
of any apps you find that replace the palm apps.  I've spent two days
converting my contacts and calendar and I'm just beginning to replace apps.

 

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Jeff Mitchell
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Shadow Alterntive - Redux.

 

  


The pain! It burns!

I dunno man; iphone is doing well, but the general feeling is that 
Android will slowly overtake it .. the trick is Apple has a lot of 
momentum. If Apple can keep it up, they could well 'win', but if they 
falter just a touch, Android will steam over it. Apple are right-PITA's, 
but they do make some pretty good stuff and I'm carrying an iphone 3GS 
these days. I really realyl like the Nokia N900 in a lot of ways, but I 
don't envision its where things are going. Android has some to like, and 
some to dislike (a lot on both counts really), but it might be where 
things are heading. (One of the reasons is because carrier can still build 
their own distributions, and they like that, so they want ot push Android; 
thats actually a very bad thing for developers and users.. the samr 
problem plagued Palm .. remember how Tapwave and Handspring and Palm and 
AlphaSmart and Sony all had slightly different and incompatible extensions 
to the common base, it made development absolute hell? Android isn't 
there, but it _could_ go there..)

So I dunno, I can't really recommend, or say where I'm preferring. 

I'll restate what a lot of us say -- mobile dev has only gotten 
worse, and only nastier, over the years ;)

This is partially why I'm working with some guys on an all new 
device, but its not really for most people .. but its going to be fun for 
people like me :) - see http://www.open-pandora.org/

I really like my iphone from a user perspective; from a dev 
perspective I'm half a fan an half full of rage (Apple are bastards.)

I'm not really a fan of Android right now, but I might start 
watching it more seriously.

WebOS is currently not doing super well in statistics (but since 
when did I ever care ;); so far, I've stonewalled it since 1) it was late 
to Canada so I couldn't evne get one till long after most people, 2) it's 
so far been purely a javascript+css scene, which is a very hard sell to us 
serious app devs and us performance minded devs, and 3) they've not been 
really reaching out to devs as much sa they used to; ack for old Palm we 
used to get a lot of help, but now its a whole new Palm. Still, they've 
finally started mentioning official native code support, so real apps and 
performance apps start becoming interesting again. So we'll see how the 
devices go.

In a way, Palm OS was good because it was so ugly and hard to do 
real work for, that only us hardcore folks would do it, and the big guys 
like IBM and EA and so on stayed out; now mobiles are big news, and the 
big guys are in. In a way, the harder slightly niche-platform is a good 
poaching ground for people like me -- so in a way webOS might be a good 
place -- takes skill, has a decent size but not large enough market to 
bring in me fighting head to head with big guys. 

But thats down the road .. 'right now' it feels like Android is a 
better targe tin some ways (but also has a very small market.) iphone is 
king right now. But in another year we'll have a better idea .. many many 
Android phones are coming out (and good ones, not like the initial few), 
and webOS is getting more serious. (just like iphone did.. iphone first 
year stunk, if you recall, for developers.)

So in 6mo or a year I'll have a better idea of things are 
_actually_ shaling out a little.. 

.. but for now, I can't recommend; I'm as confused as the rest of 
you :)

jeff

I won't go RIM; in its current and past state, its a nightmare. 
That could change, but its not changing anytime soon ;)


On Sun, 20 Dec 2009, S.L. wrote:

# I hadn't felt the need to join this board before, but I was thinking the
other day, that one of the things that is stopping me from changing over to
a different handheld device is that I will lose Shadow Plan.
# 
# It's really the best application I have installed on my handheld.
# 
# Jeff, honestly, if you chose to go in a particular direction with Shadow,
I would suddenly become much more favorably inclined towards that device.
You like Android? Suddenly I like Android a lot more. You like Palm Pre?
Then I would like that a lot more.
# 
# Uh, unless you went with Windows Mobile, in which case I admit I might not
follow. But I think bloated Windows Mobile is sort of the opposite of lean
and mean Shadow anyway.
# 
# I have tried Evernote, by the by, and in my opinion it can't hold a candle
to Shadow.
# 
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# Yahoo! Groups Links
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