Re: Re: Anyone still here?
"skeezix [email protected] [SHADOW-DISCUSS]" <[email protected]> Mon, 13 Mar 2017 09:59:42 -0400 (EDT)
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--XC25EG6pf6Patx7oVfafD7cpuMqE5eKdrNi3cns Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 1 Mar 2017, [email protected] [SHADOW-DISCUSS] wrote: # Can't believe this group is still here ! Hope everything is good in your = life, Jeff !=C2=A0 Zombies :) # Shadow Plan was the main reason I stuck with Palm platform for another co= uple of years, and it took me for ever to find a suitable # replacement. Unfortunately, the platform itself simply did not work for m= e. Its been a few years since I fired up a Palm OS device; with the=20 US border being potentially weird these days, it did occur to my to dig=20 out my old Treo for a border-crossing-phone :) I really loved the T|T3 and= =20 later the T5 .. but they just don't hold up. The wifi is janky, and the OS= =20 was too much a self contained little island. We shot high with applications there .. made them like desktop=20 apps when we could, but they were still so isolated; thats what changed=20 with the iphone .. the apps and such all got cheap and crappy for the most= =20 part (that race to the 50c or $1.00 price point), but with some rgeat=20 highlights. But they're all focused more on easy to use, and connecteness,= =20 since the accessibility to internet changed entirely. From being 'too=20 expensive, you have to sync' to 'who needs offline, we're always online'..= =20 that broke everything (thankfully :) # Since then, I went through a few years with Windows Mobile (the original = incarnation, a very capable OS that Microsoft managed to starve # into oblivion), Android, and for the past three years iOS. Each has / had= it's own set of tools. I'd say it was only in the past couple of # years that the available tools started to approach and in some cases surp= ass what was available in Shadow Plan 14 or so years ago. *cheers* # It's easy enough to find a good replacement on Windows Desktop. E.g. a = =C2=A0combination of Onenote and Outlook, or (if audible / pop up alerts # are not a priority) a free tool like Freemind / Freeplane. Freeplane espe= cially can be tweaked to do nearly anything, and if I didn't have # to sync to mobile, I wouldn't look anywhere else. #=20 # It's much harder to find a good setup that could be used across different= devices and platforms without losing functionality. This was the # main reason I decided to concentrate on one mobile platform (iOS).=C2=A0 #=20 # Right now, I am using a mindmapping type application (iThoughts) to do mo= st of the tasks I used Shadow Plan for. Brainstorming, project # info tracking, and high level task list development. The directly actiona= ble tasks are exported into iOS Reminders and synced to my # laptop's Outlook. All of the documents, notes, study files etc. are saved= to the cloud storage (synced between Google Drive and Onedrive # for personal projects, and OneDrive for Business for work) and linked to = the maps or reminders. (iThoughts allows direct file attachments, # too). Finally, it's all tied together via Spotlight search on the mobile,= and Windows indexing on the desktop. #=20 # Onenote would be even more powerful, and that's what I used for over a ye= ar for both the long time data storage and short-term project # tracking, but I am wary of dumping all of my data into one program, and h= onestly I just grew tired of the interface. But it's certainly a # very viable option. Thanks for your war story! Great tips! # A resurrected Shadow Plan, with ability to filter by date / status / prio= rity, and support for file attachments and images, would be # unbeatable. But this would be a gargantuan task and likely not enough pay= back in a saturated market.=C2=A0 This is my impression so far; I could easily kick off like we did=20 so long ago .. start small, keep evolving and adding features; but strikes= =20 me as the needs of everyone are so diverse, it woudl be hard to find a=20 good solid tight path, and it would be a big uphill climb, with the odds=20 very much stacked against (ie: by nature of app stores, new apps get=20 punished severely.) I'm not sure I have the energy for the amount of effort needed to=20 bustle into that market and make a buck, and not sure I need it enough=20 myself to do it just for giggles. It is *so* tempting, but I'm wise enough now to know to consider=20 the limits of my free time :( Thanks for writing! jeff -- If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be no war. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --XC25EG6pf6Patx7oVfafD7cpuMqE5eKdrNi3cns Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/htm= l4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> =20 <body style=3D"background-color: #fff;"> <span style=3D"display:none"> </span> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"position:relative;"> <div id=3D"ygrp-msg" style=3D"z-index: 1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-text" > =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <p>On Wed, 1 Mar 2017, [email protected] [SHADOW-DISCUSS] wrote:<br> <br> # Can't believe this group is still here ! Hope everything is good in y= our life, Jeff !=C2=A0<br> <br> Zombies :)<br> <br> # Shadow Plan was the main reason I stuck with Palm platform for another co= uple of years, and it took me for ever to find a suitable<br> # replacement. Unfortunately, the platform itself simply did not work for m= e.<br> <br> Its been a few years since I fired up a Palm OS device; with the <br> US border being potentially weird these days, it did occur to my to dig <br= > out my old Treo for a border-crossing-phone :) I really loved the T|T3 and = <br> later the T5 .. but they just don't hold up. The wifi is janky, and the= OS <br> was too much a self contained little island.<br> <br> We shot high with applications there .. made them like desktop <br> apps when we could, but they were still so isolated; thats what changed <br= > with the iphone .. the apps and such all got cheap and crappy for the most = <br> part (that race to the 50c or $1.00 price point), but with some rgeat <br> highlights. But they're all focused more on easy to use, and connectene= ss, <br> since the accessibility to internet changed entirely. From being 'too <= br> expensive, you have to sync' to 'who needs offline, we're alway= s online'.. <br> that broke everything (thankfully :)<br> <br> # Since then, I went through a few years with Windows Mobile (the original = incarnation, a very capable OS that Microsoft managed to starve<br> # into oblivion), Android, and for the past three years iOS. Each has / had= it's own set of tools. I'd say it was only in the past couple of<b= r> # years that the available tools started to approach and in some cases surp= ass what was available in Shadow Plan 14 or so years ago.<br> <br> *cheers*<br> <br> # It's easy enough to find a good replacement on Windows Desktop. E.g. = a =C2=A0combination of Onenote and Outlook, or (if audible / pop up alerts<= br> # are not a priority) a free tool like Freemind / Freeplane. Freeplane espe= cially can be tweaked to do nearly anything, and if I didn't have<br> # to sync to mobile, I wouldn't look anywhere else.<br> # <br> # It's much harder to find a good setup that could be used across diffe= rent devices and platforms without losing functionality. This was the<br> # main reason I decided to concentrate on one mobile platform (iOS).=C2=A0<= br> # <br> # Right now, I am using a mindmapping type application (iThoughts) to do mo= st of the tasks I used Shadow Plan for. Brainstorming, project<br> # info tracking, and high level task list development. The directly actiona= ble tasks are exported into iOS Reminders and synced to my<br> # laptop's Outlook. All of the documents, notes, study files etc. are s= aved to the cloud storage (synced between Google Drive and Onedrive<br> # for personal projects, and OneDrive for Business for work) and linked to = the maps or reminders. (iThoughts allows direct file attachments,<br> # too). Finally, it's all tied together via Spotlight search on the mob= ile, and Windows indexing on the desktop.<br> # <br> # Onenote would be even more powerful, and that's what I used for over = a year for both the long time data storage and short-term project<br> # tracking, but I am wary of dumping all of my data into one program, and h= onestly I just grew tired of the interface. But it's certainly a<br> # very viable option.<br> <br> Thanks for your war story! Great tips!<br> <br> # A resurrected Shadow Plan, with ability to filter by date / status / prio= rity, and support for file attachments and images, would be<br> # unbeatable. But this would be a gargantuan task and likely not enough pay= back in a saturated market.=C2=A0<br> <br> This is my impression so far; I could easily kick off like we did <br> so long ago .. start small, keep evolving and adding features; but strikes = <br> me as the needs of everyone are so diverse, it woudl be hard to find a <br> good solid tight path, and it would be a big uphill climb, with the odds <b= r> very much stacked against (ie: by nature of app stores, new apps get <br> punished severely.)<br> <br> I'm not sure I have the energy for the amount of effort needed to <br> bustle into that market and make a buck, and not sure I need it enough <br> myself to do it just for giggles.<br> <br> It is *so* tempting, but I'm wise enough now to know to consider <br> the limits of my free time :(<br> <br> Thanks for writing!<br> <br> jeff<br> <br> --<br> If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be no war.<= br> <br> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]<br> <br> </p> </div> =20=20=20=20=20 <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--> <div style=3D"color: #fff; height: 0;">__._,_.___</div> =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 =20 =20=20=20=20 <div style=3D"clear:both"> </div> <div id=3D"fromDMARC" style=3D"margin-top: 10px;"> <hr style=3D"height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; background= -color:#E3E3E3;"> Posted by: skeezix <[email protected]> <hr style=3D= "height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; background-color:#E3E3E3;"> </div> <div style=3D"clear:both"> </div> <table cellspacing=3D4px style=3D"margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px= ; color: #2D50FD;"> <tbody> <tr> <td style=3D"font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; font-weight: bo= ld; padding: 7px 5px 5px;" > <a style=3D"text-decoration: none; color: #2D50FD= " href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SHADOW-DISCUSS/conversations/= messages/25417;_ylc=3DX3oDMTJxb2c1NG81BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2NDQ5MDIEZ= 3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BG1zZ0lkAzI1NDE3BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTQ4= OTQxMzU4MQ--?act=3Dreply&messageNum=3D25417">Reply via web post</a> </td> <td>•</td> <td style=3D"font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5p= x 5px;" > <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject=3DRe%3A%20%5BSHA= DOW-DISCUSS%5D%20Re%3A%20Anyone%20still%20here%3F" style=3D"text-decoration= : none; color: #2D50FD;"> Reply to sender </a> </td> <td>•</td> <td style=3D"font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5p= x 5px;"> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject=3DRe%3= A%20%5BSHADOW-DISCUSS%5D%20Re%3A%20Anyone%20still%20here%3F" style=3D"text-= decoration: none; color: #2D50FD"> Reply to group </a> </td> <td>•</td> <td style=3D"font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5p= x 5px;" > <a href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SHADOW-DISCUSS/c= onversations/newtopic;_ylc=3DX3oDMTJlcWUzOGZlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2ND= Q5MDIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTQ4OTQxMzU4M= Q--" style=3D"text-decoration: none; color: #2D50FD">Start a New Topic</a> </td> <td>•</td> <td style=3D"font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5p= x 5px;color: #2D50FD;" > <a href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/= SHADOW-DISCUSS/conversations/topics/25373;_ylc=3DX3oDMTM2NTU5NWdrBF9TAzk3Mz= U5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2NDQ5MDIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BG1zZ0lkAzI1NDE3BHNlYwNmd= HIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTQ4OTQxMzU4MQR0cGNJZAMyNTM3Mw--" style=3D"text-deco= ration: none; color: #2D50FD;">Messages in this topic</a> (41) </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 <div id=3D"megaphoneModule"> <hr style=3D"height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; backgr= ound-color:#E3E3E3;"> <div> <div class=3D"stream" style=3D"margin-bottom:10px;"> <div style=3D"background-color:white;"> <div class=3D"sn-img" style=3D"display:inline;"><img name=3D"tn= _file" style=3D"padding:0px 10px;vertical-align:top;margin-top:5px;" src=3D= "https://s.yimg.com/ru/static/images/yg/img/megaphone/1464031581_phpFA8bON"= height=3D"82" width=3D"82"></div> <div class=3D"mod-txt" style=3D"display:inline-block;"> <a rel=3D"nofollow" name=3D"sub_url" target=3D"_blank" href= =3D"https://yho.com/1wwmgg" style=3D"color:#0000FF;display:block;margin-lef= t:5px;text-decoration:none;"><span style=3D"font-size:15px;">Have you tried= the highest rated email app?</span></a> <div style=3D"max-width:530px;padding:2px 5px;">With 4.5 st= ars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the mar= ket. 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