Re: Digest Number 3067
"Neil Slater [email protected] [SHADOW-DISCUSS]" <[email protected]> Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:27:40 -0600
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--------------2FE40A224336FF0AA3DF198D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greetings: I haven't left the group either; and I haven't found a reasonable replacement for Shadow. You spoiled us for software that's merely "good enough," Jeff :) How's the family? Children are growing, no doubt. Cheers from frozen Darkest Saskatchewan, Neil On 17-03-13 08:24 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Support for Shadow Plan outliner for Palm OS > Yahoo! Groups > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJkamRpNTk0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2NDQ5MDIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxNDg5NDU4Mjcw> > > Support for Shadow Plan outliner for Palm OS Group > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SHADOW-DISCUSS/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZTVzM211BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2NDQ5MDIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BHNlYwNoZHIEc2xrA2hwaARzdGltZQMxNDg5NDU4Mjcw> > > > > 1 Message > > Digest #3067 > 1.1 > Re: Anyone still here? <#1.1> by "skeezix" coogfoo > > > Message > > > 1.1 > > > Re: Anyone still here? > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SHADOW-DISCUSS/conversations/topics/25417;_ylc=X3oDMTJyY2phMW5xBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2NDQ5MDIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BG1zZ0lkAzI1NDE3BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzE0ODk0NTgyNzA-> > > > > Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:59 am (PDT) . Posted by: > > > "skeezix" coogfoo > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=Re%3A%20Anyone%20still%20here%3F> > > > On Wed, 1 Mar 2017, [email protected] [SHADOW-DISCUSS] wrote: > > # Can't believe this group is still here ! Hope everything is good in > your life, Jeff ! > > Zombies :) > > # Shadow Plan was the main reason I stuck with Palm platform for > another couple of years, and it took me for ever to find a suitable > # replacement. Unfortunately, the platform itself simply did not work > for me. > > Its been a few years since I fired up a Palm OS device; with the > US border being potentially weird these days, it did occur to my to dig > out my old Treo for a border-crossing-phone :) I really loved the T|T3 > and > later the T5 .. but they just don't hold up. The wifi is janky, and > the OS > was too much a self contained little island. > > We shot high with applications there .. made them like desktop > apps when we could, but they were still so isolated; thats what changed > with the iphone .. the apps and such all got cheap and crappy for the > most > part (that race to the 50c or $1.00 price point), but with some rgeat > highlights. But they're all focused more on easy to use, and > connecteness, > since the accessibility to internet changed entirely. From being 'too > expensive, you have to sync' to 'who needs offline, we're always > online'.. > that broke everything (thankfully :) > > # Since then, I went through a few years with Windows Mobile (the > original incarnation, a very capable OS that Microsoft managed to starve > # into oblivion), Android, and for the past three years iOS. Each has > / had it's own set of tools. I'd say it was only in the past couple of > # years that the available tools started to approach and in some cases > surpass what was available in Shadow Plan 14 or so years ago. > > *cheers* > > # It's easy enough to find a good replacement on Windows Desktop. E.g. > a combination of Onenote and Outlook, or (if audible / pop up alerts > # are not a priority) a free tool like Freemind / Freeplane. Freeplane > especially can be tweaked to do nearly anything, and if I didn't have > # to sync to mobile, I wouldn't look anywhere else. > # > # It's much harder to find a good setup that could be used across > different devices and platforms without losing functionality. This was the > # main reason I decided to concentrate on one mobile platform (iOS). > # > # Right now, I am using a mindmapping type application (iThoughts) to > do most of the tasks I used Shadow Plan for. Brainstorming, project > # info tracking, and high level task list development. The directly > actionable tasks are exported into iOS Reminders and synced to my > # laptop's Outlook. All of the documents, notes, study files etc. are > saved to the cloud storage (synced between Google Drive and Onedrive > # for personal projects, and OneDrive for Business for work) and > linked to the maps or reminders. (iThoughts allows direct file > attachments, > # too). Finally, it's all tied together via Spotlight search on the > mobile, and Windows indexing on the desktop. > # > # Onenote would be even more powerful, and that's what I used for over > a year for both the long time data storage and short-term project > # tracking, but I am wary of dumping all of my data into one program, > and honestly I just grew tired of the interface. But it's certainly a > # very viable option. > > Thanks for your war story! Great tips! > > # A resurrected Shadow Plan, with ability to filter by date / status / > priority, and support for file attachments and images, would be > # unbeatable. But this would be a gargantuan task and likely not > enough payback in a saturated market. > > This is my impression so far; I could easily kick off like we did > so long ago .. start small, keep evolving and adding features; but > strikes > me as the needs of everyone are so diverse, it woudl be hard to find a > good solid tight path, and it would be a big uphill climb, with the odds > very much stacked against (ie: by nature of app stores, new apps get > punished severely.) > > I'm not sure I have the energy for the amount of effort needed to > bustle into that market and make a buck, and not sure I need it enough > myself to do it just for giggles. > > It is *so* tempting, but I'm wise enough now to know to consider > the limits of my free time :( > > Thanks for writing! > > jeff > > -- > If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be no war. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Reply to sender > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=Re%3A%20Anyone%20still%20here%3F> > . 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You spoiled us for software that's merely "good enough," Jeff :)</p> <p>How's the family? Children are growing, no doubt.</p> <p><br> </p> <p>Cheers from frozen Darkest Saskatchewan,</p> <p>Neil<br> </p> <br> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 17-03-13 08:24 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote cite="mid:[email protected]" type="cite"> <title>Support for Shadow Plan outliner for Palm OS</title> <div> <div style="font-family: helvetica, clean, sans-serif;font-size: 13px;font-style: normal;font-variant: normal;font-weight: Bold;text-decoration: none;background-color: #393939;height: 50px;"> <div style="float: left;padding: 5px 0px 2px 20px;"> <a moz="true" style="text-decoration: none;" href="https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJkamRpNTk0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2NDQ5MDIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxNDg5NDU4Mjcw"><span style="color: #ffffff;"> <img moz="true" src="http://l.yimg.com/ru/static/images/yg/img/email/new_logo/logo-groups-transparent-180x40.png" alt="Yahoo! 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Posted by: </h4> <h3 style="float: left;font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;color: #3353f3;font-size: 12px;font-style: normal;font-variant: normal;font-weight: normal;text-decoration: none;margin: 0px 0px 0px 1px;padding: 0px ;"> <a moz="true" style="text-decoration:none;" href="mailto:[email protected]?subject=Re%3A%20Anyone%20still%20here%3F"> <span style="color: #3353f3;"> "skeezix" coogfoo </span> </a> </h3> </div> <div> </div> <div style="float:left;margin-top: 22px;margin-bottom: 6px;margin-left: 40px;font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;color: #333333;font-size: 13px;font-style: normal;font-variant: normal;font-weight: normal;"> On Wed, 1 Mar 2017, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> [SHADOW-DISCUSS] wrote:<br> <br> # Can't believe this group is still here ! Hope everything is good in your life, Jeff ! <br> <br> Zombies :)<br> <br> # Shadow Plan was the main reason I stuck with Palm platform for another couple of years, and it took me for ever to find a suitable<br> # replacement. Unfortunately, the platform itself simply did not work for me.<br> <br> Its been a few years since I fired up a Palm OS device; with the <br> US border being potentially weird these days, it did occur to my to dig <br> out my old Treo for a border-crossing-<wbr>phone :) I really loved the T|T3 and <br> later the T5 .. but they just don't hold up. The wifi is janky, and the OS <br> was too much a self contained little island.<br> <br> We shot high with applications there .. made them like desktop <br> apps when we could, but they were still so isolated; thats what changed <br> with the iphone .. the apps and such all got cheap and crappy for the most <br> part (that race to the 50c or $1.00 price point), but with some rgeat <br> highlights. But they're all focused more on easy to use, and connecteness, <br> since the accessibility to internet changed entirely. From being 'too <br> expensive, you have to sync' to 'who needs offline, we're always online'.<wbr>. <br> that broke everything (thankfully :)<br> <br> # Since then, I went through a few years with Windows Mobile (the original incarnation, a very capable OS that Microsoft managed to starve<br> # into oblivion), Android, and for the past three years iOS. Each has / had it's own set of tools. I'd say it was only in the past couple of<br> # years that the available tools started to approach and in some cases surpass what was available in Shadow Plan 14 or so years ago.<br> <br> *cheers*<br> <br> # It's easy enough to find a good replacement on Windows Desktop. E.g. a combination of Onenote and Outlook, or (if audible / pop up alerts<br> # are not a priority) a free tool like Freemind / Freeplane. Freeplane especially can be tweaked to do nearly anything, and if I didn't have<br> # to sync to mobile, I wouldn't look anywhere else.<br> # <br> # It's much harder to find a good setup that could be used across different devices and platforms without losing functionality. This was the<br> # main reason I decided to concentrate on one mobile platform (iOS). <br> # <br> # Right now, I am using a mindmapping type application (iThoughts) to do most of the tasks I used Shadow Plan for. Brainstorming, project<br> # info tracking, and high level task list development. The directly actionable tasks are exported into iOS Reminders and synced to my<br> # laptop's Outlook. All of the documents, notes, study files etc. are saved to the cloud storage (synced between Google Drive and Onedrive<br> # for personal projects, and OneDrive for Business for work) and linked to the maps or reminders. (iThoughts allows direct file attachments,<br> # too). Finally, it's all tied together via Spotlight search on the mobile, and Windows indexing on the desktop.<br> # <br> # Onenote would be even more powerful, and that's what I used for over a year for both the long time data storage and short-term project<br> # tracking, but I am wary of dumping all of my data into one program, and honestly I just grew tired of the interface. But it's certainly a<br> # very viable option.<br> <br> Thanks for your war story! Great tips!<br> <br> # A resurrected Shadow Plan, with ability to filter by date / status / priority, and support for file attachments and images, would be<br> # unbeatable. But this would be a gargantuan task and likely not enough payback in a saturated market. <br> <br> This is my impression so far; I could easily kick off like we did <br> so long ago .. start small, keep evolving and adding features; but strikes <br> me as the needs of everyone are so diverse, it woudl be hard to find a <br> good solid tight path, and it would be a big uphill climb, with the odds <br> very much stacked against (ie: by nature of app stores, new apps get <br> punished severely.)<br> <br> I'm not sure I have the energy for the amount of effort needed to <br> bustle into that market and make a buck, and not sure I need it enough <br> myself to do it just for giggles.<br> <br> It is *so* tempting, but I'm wise enough now to know to consider <br> the limits of my free time :(<br> <br> Thanks for writing!<br> <br> jeff<br> <br> --<br> If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be no war.<br> <br> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]<br> <br> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div style="height: 25px;margin-left: 40px;margin-top:10px ;"> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;color: #3353f3;font-size: 12px;font-style: normal;font-variant: normal;font-weight: bold;text-decoration: none;border-top:1px #ffffff;padding: 5px 0px 5px 10px;"> <span style="margin-right: 4px;"> <a moz="true" style="text-decoration: none;" href="mailto:[email protected]?subject=Re%3A%20Anyone%20still%20here%3F"> <span style="color: #3353f3;"> Reply to sender </span> </a> </span> <span style="font-weight: bold;"> . </span> <span style="margin: 0px 4px 0px 4px;"> <a moz="true" style="text-decoration: none;" href="mailto:[email protected]?subject=Re%3A%20Anyone%20still%20here%3F"> <span style="color: #3353f3;"> Reply to group </span> </a> </span> <span style="font-weight: bold;"> . </span> <span style="margin: 0px 4px 0px 4px;"> <a moz="true" style="text-decoration: none;" href="https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SHADOW-DISCUSS/conversations/messages/25417;_ylc=X3oDMTJyb2J2ZWJzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2NDQ5MDIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BG1zZ0lkAzI1NDE3BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE0ODk0NTgyNzA-?act=reply&messageNum=25417"> <span style="color: #3353f3;"> Reply via Web Post </span> </a> </span> <span style="font-weight: bold;"> . </span> <span style="margin: 0px 4px 0px 4px;"> <a moz="true" style="text-decoration: none;" href="https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SHADOW-DISCUSS/conversations/topics/25373;_ylc=X3oDMTM3NWdhbmdvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2NDQ5MDIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BG1zZ0lkAzI1NDE3BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0ODk0NTgyNzAEdHBjSWQDMjUzNzM-"> <span style="color: #3353f3;"> All Messages (41) </span> </a> </span> <span style="font-weight: bold;"> . </span> <span style="margin: 0px 9px 0px 9px;"> <a moz="true" style="text-decoration: none;color: #3353f3;" href="#toc"> Top ^ </a> </span> <div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div> </div> </div> <!-- Start vitality --> <!-- Removed Right Tab from here --> <!-- End vitality --> <div> </div> </div> <div> </div> </div> <div> </div> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <div id="ygrp-vital" style="background-color: #f2f2f2;font-family: Verdana;font-size: 10px;margin-bottom: 10px;padding: 10px;"> <span id="vithd" style="font-weight: bold;color: #333;text-transform: uppercase;"><a moz="true" href="https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SHADOW-DISCUSS/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJlYnU4bzFzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2NDQ5MDIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTQ4OTQ1ODI3MA--" style="text-decoration: none;">Visit Your Group</a></span> <ul style="list-style-type: none;margin: 0;padding: 0;"> </ul> </div> <div id="ft" style="font-family: Arial;font-size: 11px;margin-top: 5px;padding: 0 2px 0 0;"> <a moz="true" href="https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJkamRpNTk0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2NDQ5MDIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxNDg5NDU4Mjcw" style="float: left;"><img moz="true" src="http://l.yimg.com/ru/static/images/yg/img/email/new_logo/logo-groups-137x15.png" alt="Yahoo! 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