Re: Re: Taking the Dvorak issue into our own hands. No Pun Intended.

It's probably harder for you on a standard keyboard, but on the typematrix,
the spacing for CTRL ; and CTRLQ doesn't differ much from regular typing -
in fact it's the same space as reaching from the home row to a number.
--Keith

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 19:31, Joey Mink <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> I actually like that Dvorak forces me to use 2 hands for copying and
> pasting - I know it might seem less convenient at first. But using
> two hands actually seems to help my wrists. Ctrl+c and Ctrl+v-ing all
> the time with the one left wrist actually wears-out my wrist.
>
> I also switched to Dvorak on the job as a software developer. It was
> a rough 5 days, but I stayed late to make up for my slow productivity,
> and after a week cold turkey I was productive to the point where my
> typing speed was not holding me back.
>
> The points made so far in this thread, with respect to why others see
> no value in switching to Dv, have been very valid points. Thanks to
> all who have chimed-in.
>
> Joey
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Keith Ratliff <[email protected]<dracorat%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> > I use my mouse with my right hand. If I moused with the left hand, that
> > would make more sense.
> > I have to be able to quickly CTRL C then click on a different tab or
> program
> > then CTRL V so I often do that with my other hand on the mouse.
> >
> > If you did the right hand, you wouldn't even have to remap CTRL V - just
> > probably CTRL W or CTRL \ to CTRL C
> >
> > Thanks for the compliment btw.
> >
> > --Keith
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 19:11, nkmcalli <[email protected]<nkmcalli%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Keith,
> >>
> >> I really like your story about how you changed over. I used to be a
> >> programmer too, and even once had the nickname "the clacker" for how I
> >> sounded on the keyboard.
> >>
> >> Here is my question: I know everyone loves to remap the ctrl-c-v, but
> what
> >> about just ctrl-c-v-ing with the right hand? I know it's a stretch, but
> I've
> >> been doing it for a while now (not as a programmer though) and I really
> like
> >> it.
> >>
> >> Nicole
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In [email protected] <altkeyboards%40yahoogroups.com><altkeyboards%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
>
> >> Keith Ratliff <dracorat@...> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I am a Web Architect by trade, and spend much of my time in SQL and C#
> >> > programming.
> >> > However, a few years ago (3 I think) I took a 4 day weekend (was a
> three
> >> day
> >> > already and I took a Friday with it to make it longer) and changed my
> >> > arrangement at that time to Dvorak. I played video games that weekend,
> >> but
> >> > forced myself to play them and type in the new arrangement. I was
> playing
> >> an
> >> > MMO and as I'm a chatty person online still had plenty of opportunity
> to
> >> > type to the people there.
> >> >
> >> > I think my first sentence went something like "Everyone, I just
> changed
> >> my
> >> > keyboard layout and will be responding very slowly today. I am
> learning."
> >> > and that sentence probably took 3 to 4 minutes to type in itself.
> >> >
> >> > I allowed myself to look at the keyboard for the first two days and
> then
> >> I
> >> > changed to a printout of the arrangement so that I could look at the
> >> > printout instead when I needed help with key positions, so that I'd
> learn
> >> to
> >> > touch type better.
> >> >
> >> > Then, when I returned to work, I was the subject of much jest and
> >> elbowing
> >> > for a couple of months. I would write some very jumbled sentences and
> >> > replies to AIM messages. It was quite an interesting time indeed.
> >> >
> >> > But I stuck with it. And today, I can safely say it's one of the best
> >> > decisions I have ever made. (Leaving my ex beats it, but that's a tale
> >> for
> >> > another time.) And I still program.
> >> >
> >> > Some aspects of programming are harder now. Most especially the new
> >> location
> >> > of the curly braces are rough even now as they have moved further from
> >> the
> >> > fingers and in C# programming, you use curly braces all the time -
> >> probably
> >> > about every third line on average.
> >> >
> >> > However, most things are easier - especially the location of the
> >> semicolon
> >> > which is used on every line! And the period being at the disposal of
> my
> >> > index finger. Mmmmmm. Much love.
> >> >
> >> > As a programmer, you also copy and paste a lot. Fortunately, you don't
> >> > really use CTRL + semicolon or CTRL + Q for pretty much anything. At
> all.
> >> >
> >> > Thus, AutoHotKey to the rescue and I have remapped them to copy and
> >> paste.
> >> > I'll even share the script for it:
> >> > #o::#s
> >> > ^;::^c
> >> > ^q::^v
> >> > ^`::^q
> >> >
> >> > (Also maps Windows + O to Windows + S which is helpful for OneNote.)
> >> >
> >> > So there's my rebuttal against a programmer changing. This programmer
> >> did.
> >> > And it was worth it's weight in Adamantium!
> >> >
> >> > Before I changed, I went home with sore forearms - sometimes to the
> point
> >> I
> >> > couldn't grip a coffee mug. Now, that never happens, even after a full
> >> day
> >> > of typing.
> >> >
> >> > What about that printout I mentioned? I created it - as I use a
> >> TypeMatrix
> >> > keyboard. And I still have it.
> >> >
> >> > You can get it here:
> >> >
> >> > http://keithratliff.com/transfer/typematrixdvorak.png
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --Keith Ratliff
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 07:09, <jim51r@...> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Watching a programmer friend do his thing in QWERTY like a crazed
> >> spider
> >> > > suggests to me there would be no benefit to switching layouts for
> >> someone
> >> > > who is already skilled at QWERTY, whatever advantage Dvorak may have
> >> had
> >> > > to offer. I have a Chinese friend who types QWERTY and I have a heck
> of
> >> > > a time keeping up with her whilst chatting online and she's not even
> a
> >> > > native English speaker. I haven't mentioned Dvorak to her, no need.
> >> > >
> >> > > I remain a convinced Dvorak typist, and have no intention of ever
> going
> >> > > back to Mr. Sholes awkward fantasy, and concur that at the moment
> the
> >> > > decision to learn to type is made, a valid option for something
> better
> >> > > should be there. Dvorak is one such option, perhaps the best option
> --
> >> > > all things considered.
> >> > >
> >> > > I still have a CD of Mavis Beacon 5, from back when Mavis was hip,
> >> rather
> >> > > than the stodgy QWERTY shill she later became. Mavis taught me
> Dvorak.
> >> > > Now I notice, and I say this with some hesitation, but looking at
> the
> >> > > Broderbund site today I see that Mavis is looking quite pale.
> Whatever
> >> > > led to this odd, complected decision by her maker, this fly on the
> wall
> >> > > would surely like to know.
> >> > >
> >> > > > I hope the word "mandatory" refers to allowing access to the
> keyboard
> >> > > > layout setting for anybody who uses a computer, and perhaps a
> mandate
> >> > > > for educators to introduce the Dvorak option to new typists.
> >> > > > Mandating access removes the most valid objection to teaching
> Dvorak
> >> > > > to students: that they might someday be forced to use QWERTY
> anyway.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Current QWERTY typists should not be forced to switch. The GSA
> study
> >> > > > that is commonly cited to denounce Dvorak advised against
> switching,
> >> > > > and many people will choose to believe it. Fortunately, even if
> you
> >> > > > ignore that study's flaws, it is a real stretch to apply it to new
> >> > > > typists. Mandating that both layouts are allowed in all work and
> >> > > > school environments should be enough to encourage voluntary
> adoption.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Any suggestion of forcing current typists to switch will doom the
> >> > > > effort. There is a cost to retraining. Although the Navy study in
> >> > > > 1941 showed the cost of retraining could be recouped in ten days
> >> > > > (after training ended), the Navy had the luxury of assigning
> subjects
> >> > > > to non-typing duties during the training period. Indeed, for best
> >> > > > results it is important to avoid or at least minimize typing work
> >> > > > outside of actual training sessions, and to not use QWERTY at all
> >> > > > until the Dvorak pattern is fully learned.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > People who make their living at a keyboard might not be able to
> >> > > > afford even two or three weeks of lost work. If the change were a
> >> > > > mandate, more switchers would try to rush the process, risking
> >> > > > failures that in turn would be blamed on the layout, not poor
> >> training.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Good luck,
> >> > > > Marcus
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Oct 12, 2009, at 8:56 PM, Gregory G wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > I am sick and tired of seeing all of the money that is being
> wasted
> >> > > > > by people's ignorance and resistance to change. So, I've finally
> >> > > > > decided to take matters into my own hands. I've decided to lobby
> >> > > > > Congress directly to ask President Obama to lead the way on the
> >> > > > > Dvorak issue. I've created an Internet page concerning how it's
> >> > > > > going to work and invite you all to take part. If only seven of
> >> > > > > you decide to read the message and do what it says we can have
> the
> >> > > > > Dvorak Keyboard Layout made into a public law in no time. Even
> if
> >> > > > > not, by simply alerting your friends of this page everyone on
> the
> >> > > > > Internet will be have enough information to make their own
> informed
> >> > > > > choice.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Please click on the link below for more information.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> http://dynamicreflections.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=1591481%
> >> > > > > 3ABlogPost%3A4330
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
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