Re: Keyboard news

"marzolian" <[email protected]> Thu, 05 Apr 2012 05:27:08 -0000
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Hi, Giles. Glad to see that there's still interest in the group.

I have most of what I like in a keyboard. For both home and office, I use a=
 MS Natural Elite keyboard with a Wow-Pen Joy mouse. I am a big fan of the =
contoured keyboard; to me it was a much bigger improvement than the Dvorak =
layout. When I sit at a flat keyboard or use a regular mouse it feels wrong=
, or twisted.

I tried Dvorak (for a few months in the last millenium) but I had lots of t=
rouble switching back and forth (was working short-term assignments where I=
 couldn't switch). Also annoying was the Ctrl-X / C / V assignments. For th=
at reason, I would consider Colemak, maybe, one day.

I think my ideal keyboard would be ergonomic, in the style of the Natural E=
lite, with a cursor device such as a J-mouse (no touch pad) in the middle o=
f the keys, or something like a Rollermouse below the space bar. I like the=
 buckling spring action, but not the noise. And I wish somebody would make =
an ergo keyboard without the leftward slant. The right hand's fairly comfor=
table, actually, it's just the left side.

Thinking farther out, I would like to try something like a data glove -- wh=
ere my fingers would twitch but not have to touch a physical keyboard. But =
I have been waiting for that for about 15 years, and it ain't happening yet=
.

Cheers,

Steven Marzuola
www.techlanguage.com







--- In [email protected], Giles Orr <gilesorr@...> wrote:
>
> I'm still very interested in keyboards - so I've been sad to see
> altkeyboards become moribund.  Is it because everybody's got their
> perfect keyboard?  That seems a little unlikely.  I've never wanted
> this to be a high traffic list, but it's always interested me so it'd
> be nice to see some traffic.
>=20
> In an effort to get some discussion going, I'm going to toss out
> various keyboard news I have.
>=20
> As a reminder, I use the Dvorak keyboard layout, I own two Kinesis
> Advantage keyboards (which I highly recommend), and two or three IBM
> model Ms (the Kinesis physical layout is better, but buckling springs
> are the best keyswitches EVER).  I bought a friend an IBM keyboard for
> Christmas - the one that imitates a Thinkpad keyboard, complete with
> pointing device in the centre of the keyboard.  It feels better than
> the actual Thinkpad keyboards - I think it may have a millimeter more
> throw.  It's a nice board if you like that kind of thing.
>=20
> My most recent purchase was two days ago, a CoolerMaster Quick Fire
> keyboard.  I bought it because Canada Computers had it on sale for $64
> and it has Cherry blue keyswitches and feels fantastic (not quite
> buckling spring, but still very good).  It's small and quite heavy,
> kind of mimicking the model M - except for the complete lack of a
> numerical keypad.
>=20
> This has only increased my desire to convert one of my Kinesis
> Advantage keyboards from the original Cherry browns to Cherry blues.
> With assistance from a friend who's an electronics tech, I've
> de-soldered all the switches in the hand wells but haven't done the
> central Space-Enter-Delete-Backspace pods - I think I'm going to leave
> them alone, although I've purchased enough keyswitches to do them if I
> decide to.  The switches should arrive later in the week.  One of the
> tricky bits about this process is that the Cherry blues aren't readily
> available with diodes in them, while the removed Cherry browns have
> diodes in to construct the keyboard matrix circuit.  So we're going to
> have to solder a diode across two of the connectors on each switch.
>=20
> And moving into the Android world ...  The physical keyboard for my
> Asus Transformer is among the worst mechanical keyboards I've ever
> encountered - it feels bad, it bounces or doesn't respond, and it's
> almost impossible to avoid hitting the touchpad.  And yet if you have
> a Transformer, I would still recommend getting it for the battery, the
> extra ports, and the ability to type on a physical keyboard, no matter
> how bad.
>=20
> Virtual keyboards: if you're in the Android world, I highly recommend
> getting the totally free (no advertising, no nothing) "Hacker's
> Keyboard" from the Market.  It has arrow keys (think about that).
> That allows Shift-arrow to select text.  It has a Control key - which
> allows Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, and Ctrl-X for copy, paste, and cut.  And it
> has a number row.  Not sure how well this would work on a phone, but
> it's fantastic on a tablet.  I've also been reasonably pleased with
> the SlideIT virtual keyboard, which costs money (not sure how much) -
> you slide your finger from one key to another to construct words.  For
> most people, this will increase their text input speed considerably.
> I toggle back and forth between it and the Hacker's keyboard depending
> on what I'm working on: if it's scripting, Hacker's keyboard.  If it's
> an email, SlideIT.
>=20
> Has anyone got Android to do Dvorak on a physical keyboard (without
> rooting or Cyanogen Mod)?  Cyanogen Mod will likely be my final
> answer, but it's not considered stable on the Transformer yet.  And I
> don't want to try to root it at the moment.
>=20
> Have a great day, and I hope to hear from some of you soon.
>=20
> --=20
> Giles
> http://www.gilesorr.com/
> gilesorr@...
>



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      <p>Hi, Giles. Glad to see that there's still interest in the group.<br>
<br>
I have most of what I like in a keyboard. For both home and office, I use a MS Natural Elite keyboard with a Wow-Pen Joy mouse. I am a big fan of the contoured keyboard; to me it was a much bigger improvement than the Dvorak layout. When I sit at a flat keyboard or use a regular mouse it feels wrong, or twisted.<br>
<br>
I tried Dvorak (for a few months in the last millenium) but I had lots of trouble switching back and forth (was working short-term assignments where I couldn't switch). Also annoying was the Ctrl-X / C / V assignments. For that reason, I would consider Colemak, maybe, one day.<br>
<br>
I think my ideal keyboard would be ergonomic, in the style of the Natural Elite, with a cursor device such as a J-mouse (no touch pad) in the middle of the keys, or something like a Rollermouse below the space bar. I like the buckling spring action, but not the noise. And I wish somebody would make an ergo keyboard without the leftward slant. The right hand's fairly comfortable, actually, it's just the left side.<br>
<br>
Thinking farther out, I would like to try something like a data glove -- where my fingers would twitch but not have to touch a physical keyboard. But I have been waiting for that for about 15 years, and it ain't happening yet.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Steven Marzuola<br>
www.techlanguage.com<br>
<br>
--- In <a href="mailto:altkeyboards%40yahoogroups.com">[email protected]</a>, Giles Orr &lt;gilesorr@...&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I'm still very interested in keyboards - so I've been sad to see<br>
&gt; altkeyboards become moribund.  Is it because everybody's got their<br>
&gt; perfect keyboard?  That seems a little unlikely.  I've never wanted<br>
&gt; this to be a high traffic list, but it's always interested me so it'd<br>
&gt; be nice to see some traffic.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; In an effort to get some discussion going, I'm going to toss out<br>
&gt; various keyboard news I have.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; As a reminder, I use the Dvorak keyboard layout, I own two Kinesis<br>
&gt; Advantage keyboards (which I highly recommend), and two or three IBM<br>
&gt; model Ms (the Kinesis physical layout is better, but buckling springs<br>
&gt; are the best keyswitches EVER).  I bought a friend an IBM keyboard for<br>
&gt; Christmas - the one that imitates a Thinkpad keyboard, complete with<br>
&gt; pointing device in the centre of the keyboard.  It feels better than<br>
&gt; the actual Thinkpad keyboards - I think it may have a millimeter more<br>
&gt; throw.  It's a nice board if you like that kind of thing.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; My most recent purchase was two days ago, a CoolerMaster Quick Fire<br>
&gt; keyboard.  I bought it because Canada Computers had it on sale for $64<br>
&gt; and it has Cherry blue keyswitches and feels fantastic (not quite<br>
&gt; buckling spring, but still very good).  It's small and quite heavy,<br>
&gt; kind of mimicking the model M - except for the complete lack of a<br>
&gt; numerical keypad.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; This has only increased my desire to convert one of my Kinesis<br>
&gt; Advantage keyboards from the original Cherry browns to Cherry blues.<br>
&gt; With assistance from a friend who's an electronics tech, I've<br>
&gt; de-soldered all the switches in the hand wells but haven't done the<br>
&gt; central Space-Enter-Delete-Backspace pods - I think I'm going to leave<br>
&gt; them alone, although I've purchased enough keyswitches to do them if I<br>
&gt; decide to.  The switches should arrive later in the week.  One of the<br>
&gt; tricky bits about this process is that the Cherry blues aren't readily<br>
&gt; available with diodes in them, while the removed Cherry browns have<br>
&gt; diodes in to construct the keyboard matrix circuit.  So we're going to<br>
&gt; have to solder a diode across two of the connectors on each switch.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; And moving into the Android world ...  The physical keyboard for my<br>
&gt; Asus Transformer is among the worst mechanical keyboards I've ever<br>
&gt; encountered - it feels bad, it bounces or doesn't respond, and it's<br>
&gt; almost impossible to avoid hitting the touchpad.  And yet if you have<br>
&gt; a Transformer, I would still recommend getting it for the battery, the<br>
&gt; extra ports, and the ability to type on a physical keyboard, no matter<br>
&gt; how bad.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Virtual keyboards: if you're in the Android world, I highly recommend<br>
&gt; getting the totally free (no advertising, no nothing) &quot;Hacker's<br>
&gt; Keyboard&quot; from the Market.  It has arrow keys (think about that).<br>
&gt; That allows Shift-arrow to select text.  It has a Control key - which<br>
&gt; allows Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, and Ctrl-X for copy, paste, and cut.  And it<br>
&gt; has a number row.  Not sure how well this would work on a phone, but<br>
&gt; it's fantastic on a tablet.  I've also been reasonably pleased with<br>
&gt; the SlideIT virtual keyboard, which costs money (not sure how much) -<br>
&gt; you slide your finger from one key to another to construct words.  For<br>
&gt; most people, this will increase their text input speed considerably.<br>
&gt; I toggle back and forth between it and the Hacker's keyboard depending<br>
&gt; on what I'm working on: if it's scripting, Hacker's keyboard.  If it's<br>
&gt; an email, SlideIT.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Has anyone got Android to do Dvorak on a physical keyboard (without<br>
&gt; rooting or Cyanogen Mod)?  Cyanogen Mod will likely be my final<br>
&gt; answer, but it's not considered stable on the Transformer yet.  And I<br>
&gt; don't want to try to root it at the moment.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Have a great day, and I hope to hear from some of you soon.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; -- <br>
&gt; Giles<br>
&gt; <a href="http://www.gilesorr.com/">http://www.gilesorr.com/</a><br>
&gt; gilesorr@...<br>
&gt;<br>
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