Re: [PIC] Learning C

Hi David,
the Arduino multiverse is very good for learning/education.
The IDE is enough good and the integrated serial terminal is very good for 
debugging.
You can use it with a lot of different hardware and find a lot of not so bad 
libraries.

For developing of PC I would use Embarcadero (was Borland) C++ Builder (free 
version).
        Nic


On 13/11/2024 15:20, David C Brown wrote:
> Perhaps I need to rephrase my needs.
>
> I am a competent programmer and coding holds no fears for me.
> I have programmed in several languages and written some quite complicated
> programs in Pascal and Visual Basic.
>
> So  what I need  is to understand the syntax of the language - I have a
> copy of Kernighan and Ritchieand - and write few useful applications on my
> PC..
> Where I need real advice is on what IDE/compiler to use.  I am not averse
> to spending money on tsat
>
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> On Tue, 12 Nov 2024 at 07:43, Richard Prosser<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Russell,
>> I was thinking of recommending Arduino, but wasn't brave enough!
>> The plusses are ease of use, plenty of examples and libraries, a good range
>> of MCUs, development boards and quick implementation. MPUs include AVR,
>> STM32, ESP and (using Energia) MSP430s. The downside is that it can be a
>> bit limiting although you can write your way around most problems, no
>> inbuilt RTOS as such, limited simulation capability and that a bit of C++
>> knowledge may help in the long run. And it's not for desktop utilities -
>> strictly MCUs.
>>
>> I note that no-one has recommended C#/MS Visual studio, and I'd also go
>> along with this. IMHO it's not quite C.
>>
>> RP
>>
>> On Tue, 12 Nov 2024 at 02:58, RussellMc<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 12 Nov 2024 at 02:12, David C Brown<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I must stress that I want to learn C as a desktop language before
>>>> converting to PIC use..
>>>> Recommendations for a good book would be appreciated
>>>>
>>>>
>>> At the risk of being cast into outer darkness (weeping, wailing,
>>> gnashing of teeth, ...)
>>> I'll have another try at mentioning Arduinos.
>>>
>>> Here is a PIC implementation
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> https://www.instructables.com/Pinguino-Project-a-PIC-Microcontroller-Based-Ardui/
>>> And here is a page that mentions several , but they me be somewhat more
>>> arcane
>>>
>>>          https://forum.arduino.cc/t/arduino-and-pic/868085
>>>
>>> BUT Arduino using AVRs is an exceedingly useful extra string to a
>>> multistring bow.
>>> The complete hardware, software, IDE ... (& even the power supply) for
>> your
>>> first attempt will cost you under GBP10.
>>> Possibly under GBP5.
>>> They are exceedingly easy to try and MAy lure you to the dark side.
>>>
>>> You don't even have to load the "flash a LED" / hello world equivalent
>>> code. Tey tend to have LED flash preloaded.
>>> Powering? - connect via USB cable to a PC (Windows / Linux / Mac)
>>> Software - download the latest IDE from here
>>> https://www.arduino.cc/en/software
>>> Examples?  There are many dozens of include examples, starting with flas
>> a
>>> LED, read a button.
>>> Plus ADC, DAC (PWM on many, true DAC on some), Serial, USB, SPI, ... .
>>> Typical sensors interfacing. More
>>>
>>> In many cases you can use a p[remade "sketch" and tweak it as required.
>>> A competent programmer can usually follow the code well enough without
>>> extra input, and detailed tutorials are available.
>>>
>>> The system is not, of course, perfect and gets somewhat arcane and messy
>> as
>>> you start to do more complex things, but millions of people have walked
>> the
>>> same path and there is much advice easily avaialable.
>>>
>>> Something like youe=r data logger, if maybe not quite trivial, would be
>>> extremely easy once you'd understood the basic system.
>>>
>>> This is an add on to other abilities and systems, but not one that should
>>> be lightly ignored. (I claim :-) ).
>>>
>>>
>>>       Russell
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