Re: Jetspeed Roadmap poll

Mailing lists are good for problem resolution but are difficult to use 
for discussions that take place over time.
The polling methods in lists are really unsatisfactory.

Jetspeed is a project that has had a great deal of difficulty in 
building a community and I hope that this helps find all of the people 
that have an interest in Jetspeed and get a bit of community involvement.
LinkedIn is a pretty popular and free spot for business-oriented people 
to meet.

I think that you will find that many Apache projects have an active 
LinkedIn group (Maven, Cloudstack, Wicket, JMeter. Mahoot, etc.)

I share your concern for the "Official Record" status of the developer 
list but I am not sure if this matters a lot on the user list side.

I hope that the LinkedIn list will encourage discussions about how 
Jetspeed is being used and what is needed to make it more competitive 
with alternatives.
This is hard to do in a mailing list since the individual transactions 
are transient and it is hard to follow a discussion that takes place 
over many days or weeks.
On LinkedIn each discussion thread is available while you are adding 
your comment so people can join in late and quickly read the previous 
comments,
You can also "like" comments that others have posted and that becomes 
part of the permanent record.
It is also easy to check out the person making the comment which can be 
helpful in understanding their contribution or point of view.

I hope that the project committers will become more active in promoting 
the project and actively work at communicating with the community 
through discussions and polls on LinkedIn.
I hope that the use community will become more active by discussing 
success stories, use cases and sharing ideas for shared portlets.

Ron
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On 17/01/2014 6:40 AM, Ate Douma wrote:
> On 01/17/2014 06:38 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>> I have created a poll in the Jetspeed Portal group on LinkedIn to 
>> confirm the
>> acceptability of the Jetspeed Roadmap.
>> Please visit http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Jetspeed-Portal-3347198 
>> and let
>> David know whether you support the roadmap or have some topics that 
>> you want
>> considered.
>>
>> If you do not vote for the Roadmap, please add a comment to the Roadmap
>> discussion at
>> http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Jetspeed-Road-Map-2014-3347198.S.5828949445881905155 
>>
>> describing your concerns.
>
> <ASF member hat on>
> While I think it is great to see the roadmap being discussed, I 
> *strongly* disagree with this happening outside the Jetspeed mailing 
> list(s).
>
> I don't think there is anything wrong with the LinkedIn group, but it 
> shouldn't replace the community participation here.
>
> An important 'rule' at Apache is:
>   "if it didn't happen on the list, it didn't happen at all"
>
> So, anything which is discussed (and maybe even decided) externally 
> (LinkedIn, Skype, f2f, whatever) which would be of importance to this 
> community should be (also) reported/mirrored on the list.
>
> Also note that the ASF mailing lists are archived (for ever) so even 
> future community members can review and find back old arguments, 
> discussions, choices made. Using external 'sources' like LinkedIn 
> groups or whatever, cuts out both current *and* future community members.
> </ASF member hat off>
>
> Ron, please don't take my remarks above as critique on *what* you are 
> trying to do. I really think it is great you're trying to renew the 
> community.
> My remark only concerns the *how*.
>
> Kind regards, Ate
>
>>
>> Show some love!
>>
>> Ron
>>
>
>
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