Re: [DISCUSS] Torque v8 and Java 21

"Kallidis, Georg" <[email protected]> Wed, 20 May 2026 12:00:43 +0200
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Hi Til,=20

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yes, it is as Jeff wrote - as we probably upgrade to Java 21 for the =
Turbine release, that we have an equivalent Java-level for Torque ..



I started thinking about Java 21 first to allow support for derby =
v10.17.1.0, requires Java 21 =E2=80=93 but Derby is now retired.

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Torque does have =E2=80=9Csynchronized=E2=80=9D operations at a very few =
places (e.g. LargeSelect, which is not used, except explicitely), and =
some recent discussion was about performance (TORQUE-364), but probably =
for Torque ORM there is no impact of virtual threads, even if connectors =
might use this in the future (most connectors still require just Java =
8).

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The conclusion might be: Keep it in mind, do not support latest derby =
version and upgrade only later while keeping until then Torque in =
v7.1-SNAPSHOT..

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Best regards,

Georg

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On May 9, 2026 3:25:21 PM GMT+03:00, Jeffery Painter <[email protected]> =
wrote:

I support it as we move Turbine toward more modern Java support - torque =
is an integral part :-)

-

Jeff


On 5/9/26 08:16, Tilmann Z=C3=A4schke wrote:

Hi Georg,

I'm not a torque user, so I have no stake in this.
I'm just wondering what the motivation is?

Often, libraries tend to be intentionally slow with updating =
requirements (e.g. required Java version). I'm just guessing but many =
projects that require torque may be stuck on older Java version?
What are the advantages of upgrading to Java 21?

Again, don't let me stop you, I have no stake in this, just some =
thoughts from my side :-)

Best,
Til


On 08/05/2026 11:18, Kallidis, Georg wrote:

Hi Torque Devs,

I propose updating Torque to version 8.0-SNAPSHOT and setting Java =
version
to 21 (from 17).

Accompanying this I would commit this with a couple of dependency =
updates ..


This would be the next bottom line version for the next Torque release.

Without opposing replies, I would proceed and update the trunk in the =
next
weeks.

Thanks,

Best regards, Georg



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class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Hi Til, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>yes, it is as Jeff wrote - as we =
probably upgrade to Java 21 for the Turbine release, that we have an =
equivalent Java-level for Torque ..<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>I started thinking about Java 21 =
first to allow support for derby v10.17.1.0, requires Java 21 =E2=80=93 =
but Derby is now retired.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Torque does have =
=E2=80=9Csynchronized=E2=80=9D operations at a very few places (e.g. =
LargeSelect, which is not used, except explicitely), and some recent =
discussion was about performance (TORQUE-364), but probably for Torque =
ORM there is no impact of virtual threads, even if connectors might use =
this in the future (most connectors still require just Java =
8).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>The conclusion might be: Keep it in mind, do not support =
latest derby version and upgrade only later while keeping until then =
Torque in v7.1-SNAPSHOT..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Best =
regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Georg<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>On May 9, 2026 3:25:21 PM =
GMT+03:00, Jeffery Painter &lt;[email protected]&gt; =
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toward more modern Java support - torque is an integral part =
:-)<br><br>-<br><br>Jeff<br><br><br>On 5/9/26 08:16, Tilmann =
Z=C3=A4schke wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></pre></div><blockquote =
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efault-border-color: #729fcf'><div><pre><span lang=3DEN-US>Hi =
Georg,<br><br>I'm not a torque user, so I have no stake in this.<br>I'm =
just wondering what the motivation is?<br><br>Often, libraries tend to =
be intentionally slow with updating requirements (e.g. required Java =
version). I'm just guessing but many projects that require torque may be =
stuck on older Java version?<br>What are the advantages of upgrading to =
Java 21?<br><br>Again, don't let me stop you, I have no stake in this, =
just some thoughts from my side :-)<br><br>Best,<br>Til<br><br><br>On =
08/05/2026 11:18, Kallidis, Georg =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></pre></div><blockquote =
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efault-border-color: #ad7fa8'><div><pre><span lang=3DEN-US>Hi Torque =
Devs,<br><br>I propose updating Torque to version 8.0-SNAPSHOT and =
setting Java version<br>to 21 (from 17).<br><br>Accompanying this I =
would commit this with a couple of dependency updates ..<br><br><br>This =
would be the next bottom line version for the next Torque =
release.<br><br>Without opposing replies, I would proceed and update the =
trunk in the next<br>weeks.<br><br></span>Thanks,<br><br>Best regards, =
Georg<o:p></o:p></pre></div></blockquote><div><pre =
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