RE: What is the state of turbine?

I have used both Struts and Turbine, but for the couple production sites we run I use Turbine.
I've never really like the Bean/JSP approach Struts uses. Not a big fan of php either. 
Once you understand exactly how Turbine works, it's extremely easy to do whatever you want with it.

Maybe its just me, but Turbine does everything I need and has for awhile. Maybe that contributes to why this list is quiet.

Just my ancedotal 2 cents,

Sheldon Ross

> Subject: Re: What is the state of turbine?
> From: [email protected]
> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:17:25 +0100
> To: [email protected]
> 
> Hi Ludwig,
> 
> we have setup turbine to be built by m2. Turbine is not dead. Only the  
> people developing on it, are either busy at their work, or involved  
> into further uncouling of the core serivces inside the fulcrum project  
> (Thomas Vandahl)
> 
> If you need support getting your app running and other things like  
> build your app using m2, I can really help you.
> 
> Although there are only few active developers, the few know turbine to  
> its bones. So just ask
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Juergen
> 
> Am 05.11.2009 um 11:37 schrieb Ludwig Magnusson:
> 
> > Hello!
> >
> > I am currently working in a big web application project with a few  
> > fellow
> > developers. When we started out we were discussing a lot on which  
> > framework
> > to use. I was familiar with turbine and I liked it very much.  
> > However the
> > others were skeptical since there is very few persons involved in  
> > turbine at
> > the moment. We decided to work with php and Zend and we have made a  
> > quite
> > cool alpha version of out app. However, me and the other main  
> > developer
> > (both computer engineers) have realized that the php community does  
> > not have
> > very good understanding of concepts as best practices when it comes to
> > object orienting, testing, database management and so on. Especially  
> > for
> > complex applications. We are now considering switching framework and  
> > we are
> > looking at java-based frameworks. (Because java rules)
> >
> >
> >
> > We have looked at other apache frameworks such as tapestry and  
> > struts (which
> > are much more active). But to me it seems as if they do not address  
> > the
> > things that I really like about turbine and that I feel are basic in  
> > the
> > kind of application we are developing. For instance no other  
> > framework seems
> > to have a user class (or interface) which I think is a basic feature  
> > since
> > validations on the user are done on almost every page. Further on,  
> > if there
> > is some kind of permission system, it is always role-based and not
> > group-role-based which we need.
> >
> >
> >
> > So my question is.. Is turbine dying? Or is it already dead? And why?
> >
> > I am not _that_ experienced in developing complex web applications.  
> > Does
> > turbine have some kind of major flaw that I don't see?
> >
> >
> >
> > What I like and what I am looking for is this:
> >
> > -          The security system - group-role-based
> >
> > -          Tight integration with velocity (which of course can be
> > accomplished in other frameworks as struts). And what I like with  
> > velocity
> > is that the templates looks very much like static html, i.e. they  
> > are very
> > readable. I don't like jsp.
> >
> > -          The torque object model that is generated
> >
> > -          A clear file structure for the environment. (What I like in
> > turbine is that I can create a folder for x number of pages and then  
> > create
> > a default.java class in the corresponding package and have the same
> > permission check for all those pages)
> >
> >
> >
> > The biggest flaw I think turbine has is that it isn't really maven 2
> > compatible. I really like working with maven, but I prefer not to use
> > version 1.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm just sending this since I think it's sad that it is not used  
> > anymore and
> > I wonder why.
> >
> > Any reply/discussion would be appreciated.
> >
> > /Ludwig
> >
> 
> 
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