Re: What is the state of turbine?

Definitely my preferred tool of choice.

Tony Oslund

On Nov 5, 2009, at 12:34 PM, "Sheldon Ross" <[email protected]>  
wrote:

>
> I have used both Struts and Turbine, but for the couple production  
> sites we run I use Turbine.
> I've never really like the Bean/JSP approach Struts uses. Not a big  
> fan of php either.
> Once you understand exactly how Turbine works, it's extremely easy  
> to do whatever you want with it.
>
> Maybe its just me, but Turbine does everything I need and has for  
> awhile. Maybe that contributes to why this list is quiet.
>
> Just my ancedotal 2 cents,
>
> Sheldon Ross
>
>> Subject: Re: What is the state of turbine?
>> From: [email protected]
>> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:17:25 +0100
>> To: [email protected]
>>
>> Hi Ludwig,
>>
>> we have setup turbine to be built by m2. Turbine is not dead. Only  
>> the
>> people developing on it, are either busy at their work, or involved
>> into further uncouling of the core serivces inside the fulcrum  
>> project
>> (Thomas Vandahl)
>>
>> If you need support getting your app running and other things like
>> build your app using m2, I can really help you.
>>
>> Although there are only few active developers, the few know turbine  
>> to
>> its bones. So just ask
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>> Am 05.11.2009 um 11:37 schrieb Ludwig Magnusson:
>>
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>> I am currently working in a big web application project with a few
>>> fellow
>>> developers. When we started out we were discussing a lot on which
>>> framework
>>> to use. I was familiar with turbine and I liked it very much.
>>> However the
>>> others were skeptical since there is very few persons involved in
>>> turbine at
>>> the moment. We decided to work with php and Zend and we have made a
>>> quite
>>> cool alpha version of out app. However, me and the other main
>>> developer
>>> (both computer engineers) have realized that the php community does
>>> not have
>>> very good understanding of concepts as best practices when it  
>>> comes to
>>> object orienting, testing, database management and so on. Especially
>>> for
>>> complex applications. We are now considering switching framework and
>>> we are
>>> looking at java-based frameworks. (Because java rules)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We have looked at other apache frameworks such as tapestry and
>>> struts (which
>>> are much more active). But to me it seems as if they do not address
>>> the
>>> things that I really like about turbine and that I feel are basic in
>>> the
>>> kind of application we are developing. For instance no other
>>> framework seems
>>> to have a user class (or interface) which I think is a basic feature
>>> since
>>> validations on the user are done on almost every page. Further on,
>>> if there
>>> is some kind of permission system, it is always role-based and not
>>> group-role-based which we need.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So my question is.. Is turbine dying? Or is it already dead? And  
>>> why?
>>>
>>> I am not _that_ experienced in developing complex web applications.
>>> Does
>>> turbine have some kind of major flaw that I don't see?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What I like and what I am looking for is this:
>>>
>>> -          The security system - group-role-based
>>>
>>> -          Tight integration with velocity (which of course can be
>>> accomplished in other frameworks as struts). And what I like with
>>> velocity
>>> is that the templates looks very much like static html, i.e. they
>>> are very
>>> readable. I don't like jsp.
>>>
>>> -          The torque object model that is generated
>>>
>>> -          A clear file structure for the environment. (What I  
>>> like in
>>> turbine is that I can create a folder for x number of pages and then
>>> create
>>> a default.java class in the corresponding package and have the same
>>> permission check for all those pages)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The biggest flaw I think turbine has is that it isn't really maven 2
>>> compatible. I really like working with maven, but I prefer not to  
>>> use
>>> version 1.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm just sending this since I think it's sad that it is not used
>>> anymore and
>>> I wonder why.
>>>
>>> Any reply/discussion would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> /Ludwig
>>>
>>
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