Re: BeanShell alternatives (was Re: Status of projectand adding 1.5 generics)

for starters, this argument is a red herring - our problem is a lack
of development, not an excess. if someone made a tiny fraction of the
effort on beanshell2 that was made on the projects that forked, we'd
all be thrilled.

second, there's a huge, tho subtle, difference between a fork and a branch.

emacs v xemacs is a fork

but many (if not most) open/free software projects branch often. the
canonical example is linux - every developer maintains their own
branch, and many of those branches are followed by other developers
and users. the official releases are cherry-picked collections of
individual branches

as long as the repository is common (or distributed a la git), most of
the disadvantages are mitigated, and the need for mind-numbing
discussions is reduced. just do what you want to do - if others like
it they'll use it, and they might contribute




On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Paul Landes <[email protected]> wrote:
> Nice idea but multiple forks divides the efforts and lessons the "rule
> of increasing return" and features are no long combined into one
> distribution.  Examples of projects that tried forking but stagnated
> for this reason (among others) and converged are Emacs (e.g. GosMacs,
> XEmacs, etc), FreeBSD (e.g. BSD/386).
>
>
> seth lytle writes:
>  > i don't see how any of this conflicts with beanshell2.
>  >
>  > the code is in subversion.
>  > join the project, create a branch.
>  > cherry-pick any of the changes that fschmidt has made that you want,
>  > ignore the rest.
>  > "fix" whatever you want in your branch.
>  > if you think your branch/vision might appeal to other people, mention
>  > it on the wiki or on this list.
>  >
>  > if you have a few "bugs" that you'd like fixed, and are willing to fix
>  > one of them - post to the list and see if anyone will "trade" or work
>  > with you. but given that there's no budget, and that beanshell works
>  > for people as is (and i agree that at this point the implementation is
>  > the spec), that's about the only leverage anyone has got
>  >
>  > http://code.google.com/p/beanshell2
>  >
>  > seth
>  >
>  >
>  > On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Wade Chandler
>  > <hwadechandler-beanshell-/[email protected]> wrote:
>  > > ----- Original Message ----
>  > >
>  > >> From: David A. Lee <[email protected]>
>  > >> To: fschmidt <[email protected]>; beanshell-developers-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org
>  > >> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:28:00 PM
>  > >> Subject: Re: [Beanshell-dev] BeanShell alternatives (was Re: Status of projectand adding 1.5 generics)
>  > >>
>  > >> >> I feel that the first step in Leading an offshoot of Beanshell is to make
>  > >> >> and achieve agreement on a list of bugs to be fixed in the base of the
>  > >> >> offshoot.
>  > >> >>
>  > >> >
>  > >> > Why?  If everyone would just fix whatever bugs bother them in a common
>  > >> > source repository, then we would all benefit.  This is why I set up
>  > >> > BeanShell2.  Whenever I run into a bug that affects me, I fix it there.  I
>  > >> > wish others would do the same.
>  > >>
>  > >> Because with something like beanshell there is no formal specification.
>  > >> That means one person's bug is anothers feature.   In  a program like
>  > >> beanshell,
>  > >> its current implementation is the 'defacto standard'.
>  > >>
>  > >> Certianly there are a class of bugs that we all would agree are truely bugs,
>  > >> but I suggest there is a huge wider range of "things I think are wrong" that
>  > >> others would disagree.
>  > >> For some programs and people thats fine for others it is not.
>  > >> For example, I would stop using Java or C if anyone who thought there was a
>  > >> "bug" decided to "fix" it.
>  > >>
>  > >> There's good reasons for annoying painful slow beuracracies ... especially
>  > >> when the original innovator is no longer participating.
>  > >>
>  > >>
>  > >
>  > > I'll agree with that. Seems perhaps like Tomcat does, maybe multiple versions which just get patches applied for issues in that version would be good.
>  > >
>  > > Wade
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
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