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The 'lucrative high-end J2EE revenue' refers to the cost Sun charges for 
J2EE certification.  Not sure how much it is, but I've read other quoting a 
figure of $500,000.  On the JBoss website, they mention that Sun quoted the 
JBoss team a price for certification, but not being able to afford that price.

At 01:18 PM 3/22/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>In the interview, it was mentioned that Sun may be worried about the open
>source product to cut its lucrative high-end J2EE revenue ...
>
>How does Sun make money with J2EE? Does Sun get a chunk for every license of
>WebLogic and WebSphere sold?
>
>
> >From: "Steve Magruder" <[email protected]>
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >To: "EJB-Developer" <[email protected]>
> >Subject: [EJB-Developer] FW: ONJava.com: JBoss Interview
> >Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:29:36 -0500
> >
> >
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