Re: Default Template discussion

>I agree with almost all of this

Scary..it seems like we are reaching some kind of consensus here. :-)

>How about if we just had a tab -bar, and then put all the other stuff
>in the dropdown?

Agree. Though care should be placed as to what the other stuff is.

To reiterate:
User stuff:
My Preferences
My Groups
My Quick Links
My whatever

Pages Stuff:
List Wiki Pages--->
    Alphabetically
    Unpublished (undefined)
    Unused (lone pages)

Wiki Stuff:
Wiki--->
Search In (Find in Pages)
Create Group
About this Wiki (System Info)

Tab Visibility
The tab visibility, in my opinion, should be tightly coupled to the
authorization rights given.
Why see an Attach tab or Edit tab if you are not allowed to do anything with
it? An alternative easy hack is to just write a line stating the
requierments for usage. But it's not clean.

Add Comment
I really appreciates Dirk's question about the Add Comment. It's tricky not
belonging to the edit tab nor to the view tab. Lets look at this with from
an authorization perspective:

Everyone can view
Some might be able to view and comment
Some might be able to view, comment and edit

It would be highly irregular or unlikely that someone is allowed to edit but
not to comment.
However, someone may easily be allowed to comment but not to edit.

Add Comment deserves a place of its own between the View and Edit tab. I
take back my suggestion that all changes to a page could be neatly placed
within the Edit tab. That way, the popular idea of having a separate tab for
Attachments can be justified using the same line of argument:

Some might be able to view, comment, edit but not attach.
It would be highly irregular or unlikely that someone is allowed to attach
but not to view, comment and edit.

Login
>I think the Login should be always
>visible, because if a user can't access the wiki and needs to log in,
>they need to be able to see that without digging around in a menu (that
>doesn't even look like a menu).

Agree. I can just hear the screams "Where do login?". Liked Dirk's
suggestion for this (up in the header on the right. Perhaps two discrete
small links: login register)

Favorites-Left Menu

Guideline: Use the right margin for the Web site's main index.
Ref: http://www.usability.gov/guidelines/navigation.html#four
Comments: Research shows that users click on topics in the right margin
with much more efficiency than topics placed on the left because they
are located much closer to the scroll bar.

Even if you can configure this thru css, its nice to support best practices
and it
inspires others to do so ;-)

Wiki Page specific Quick Links: Really Missing

(I know I am repeating myself ;-))
Each Wiki Page, IMHO, should have its optional space for its own Quick
Links. I know again that they can just dangle at the end of the page as
links or footnotes but that space is usually reserved for comments. Perhaps
some space opposite the Favorite Menu.

Claudia

On 7/19/07, Murray Altheim <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Janne Jalkanen wrote:
> [...]
> > I think that the stuff that you need often should be easily available,
> > but things like "login/logout" you don't really do that often.
>
> I agree with almost all of this but I think the Login should be always
> visible, because if a user can't access the wiki and needs to log in,
> they need to be able to see that without digging around in a menu (that
> doesn't even look like a menu). Also, most of the users having trouble
> with this are going to be newbies and have no idea about logging in
> unless they see a Login button (or link).
>
> Murray
>
>
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