Re: Default Template discussion

 >Strangely enough, I preferred the old positioning on the right side.
... It's getting a bit messy.

Oddly enough I agree with Janne. At the risk of starting a new debate which
is not my intention, I have to say that a dangling Edit link next to a bunch
of tabs is a misleading confusing "no no"
asking for trouble. The same applies to the:
(Home Link) next to the
(more pull down ) next to a
(go to the bottom  arrow).

What  would be the consequences of skipping the tabs all together and having
one (or two) top menu(s) going across? Then at least we wouldn't have the
"action" versus "categories" issues. Users are used to seeing an edit menu
next to a view menu.

What we have now is clutter. Lots and lots of it.

Personally I would have chosen tabs if I was using different page view
instances as FF does with its tab view. Or I  would have chosen tabs  to
distinguish between an editable page and a non editable page ...(Very
important note here: *there are no other categories of a single page just
editable page and non editable page*..Info is not another type of
page.)IMHO, it could still have worked to have an Info Page if the
amount of Tabs
stopped there: View Edit Info.

However, Dirk is using tabs in another context than I would:
categories/types of things you can view: Info Attachments Comments...All of
this info pertains to the viewed page as opposed to "Edit" which is what you
can do with the viewed page.

As long as you:
Keep the tabs &
Keep separating actions from categories

the problem won't dissappear. It would certainly help if the user with
writing permissions could just transparently edit the view page and have it
transparently saved ..ie.no edit or save button needed  but you again will
see the problem emerge with comments or other editable items.

If anything the "More..." should be replaced with a "More actions" within a
pull down menu. The Main  and Edit should be  placed in the pull down
button. Now you would still have two arrows pointing downwards but that can
be changed by using a different icon for "to bottom page".


I realize that what we have now is a major attempt to please as many as
possible and I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade but IMHO I much prefer
the 2.4 ui design or even the original 2.5 suggestion to this recent one.

Actually I blame the google team. Although they gave the world so much free
usable functionality, it has used zero efforts or resources on usability.
They've legalized GUI clutter and proved that it can still be used by
many..Many usability groups seem to love attacking the google team's lack of
usability skills..I use to think they were over doing it but I see that we
need good examples more than ever. Unless you group and hide you will get
further and further away from simplicity. If one thing is certain the
features will increase in number.





On 7/25/07, Alex Samad <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Silly me I ut together an example not a full copy of it, I added the
> bottom %%
> to close of the Tab-section and I still have the same problem.
>
>
> Maybe I am asking want isn't supposed to happen.
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 08:54:33AM +0200, Dirk Frederickx wrote:
> > Alex,
> >
> > The problem is that you need to close all opened %% blocks.
> > So for a tabbed section it looks like this:
> > %%tabbedSection
> > %%tab-FirstTab1
> > ...
> > /%
> > /%
> >
> > Notice the double closing /% at the end.
> > I include this example in the sandbox.jspwiki.org, so you can see the
> > effect there.
> >
> > I noticed that content of a tab can still overflow the bottom of the
> > tab. I will look into that.
> >
> >
> > dirk
> >
> >
> > On 7/25/07, Alex Samad <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 04:40:00PM +0200, Dirk Frederickx wrote:
> > > > Alex,
> > > >
> > > > Can you provide me a link where I can see the issue. May be I
> > > > understood the issues wrong.
> > >
> > > Try this create a new page and paste in
> > >
> > > %%commentbox
> > > [{Image src='http://www.samad.com.au/~alex/JokerSmall.jpg'
> > > align='center' height='129' width='50' alt='I am a Joker'}]
> > > %%
> > >
> > > %%tabbedSection
> > > %%tab-Quick
> > >
> > > [SMH|http://www.smh.com.au]\\
> > > [Times|http://www.timesonline.co.uk/] \\
> > > [Asian Times|http://www.atimes.com/] \\
> > > %%
> > >
> > >
> > > notice the comment box is on top of the tabbed section.
> > >
> > > then try this
> > >
> > > %%tabbedSection
> > > %%tab-Quick
> > > %%commentbox
> > > [{Image src='http://www.samad.com.au/~alex/JokerSmall.jpg'
> > > align='center' height='129' width='50' alt='I am a Joker'}]
> > > %%
> > >
> > > [SMH|http://www.smh.com.au]\\
> > > [Times|http://www.timesonline.co.uk/] \\
> > > [Asian Times|http://www.atimes.com/] \\
> > > %%
> > >
> > >
> > > The commentbox is next to (inline horizontally) with the tabbed
> section.
> > >
> > > The behaviour previous was to use the top coding, ie place the comment
> box
> > > before the tabbed section. and the tabbed section would flow around
> the comment
> > > box - ie the first line of the tabbed section would be in line with
> the top of
> > > the jpg.  The commentbox would float on top of the tabbed section
> > >
> > > https://mail.samad.com.au/Wiki/page/Sandbox2
> > > https://mail.samad.com.au/Wiki/page/Sandbox3
> > >
> > > I usually you firefox, but a quick check with ie6 seems to have the
> same
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > >
> > > > dirk
> > > >
> > > > On 7/24/07, Alex Samad <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > Dirk
> > > > >
> > > > > the issue with flow around a comment box doesn't seem to have been
> fixed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Alex
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 11:54:18AM +0200, Dirk Frederickx wrote:
> > > > > > On 7/24/07, Claudia Frers <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > I've posted 2.5.107
> > > > > > > Do I simply download a new 2.5 version for this?
> > > > > > > Same place I presume?
> > > > > > > Claudia
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes.
> > > > > > Or look at http://sandbox.jspwiki.org/Wiki.jsp?page=Main
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