Re: Language infrastructure (reloaded)

Yes, CSL is the way to go with new languages.

Gj

On 8-11-2016 9:16, Jean-Marc Borer wrote:
> OK reading through the  following pages:
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> http://wiki.netbeans.org/GsfToParsingAndIndexingApiMigration 
> <http://wiki.netbeans.org/GsfToParsingAndIndexingApiMigration>
> http://wiki.netbeans.org/ParsingAPI
> http://wiki.netbeans.org/How_to_create_support_for_a_new_language
> and "Rich Client Programming: Plugging into the NetBeans Platform 
> <http://www.amazon.com/Rich-Client-Programming-Plugging-NetBeans/dp/0132354802>" 
> book
>
> Is it correct if I state that CSL is the way to go for new languages? 
> Or is it only limited to "scripting" languages. For example, in my 
> IDE, I can only find CSL plugins for HTLM, CSS, sql, yaml and some 
> others. Ruby and Java are not listed.
>
> Does it mean, they don't use the CSL API, because:
> 1) it doesn't fit their more advanced needs or
> 2) they use an older API and the effort to migrate them is too big?
>
> I just need a bit of info here, just to not write stupid things later. ;-)
>
> Appreciate you help
>
> JMB
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Jean-Marc Borer <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
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>     Thank you Gj, I was thinking my post ended up in /dev/null ;)
>
>     On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 12:49 PM, geertjan wielenga
>     <[email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
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>         More:
>         http://wiki.netbeans.org/GsfToParsingAndIndexingApiMigration
>         <http://wiki.netbeans.org/GsfToParsingAndIndexingApiMigration>
>
>         Gj
>
>
>         On 7-11-2016 13:48, geertjan wielenga wrote:
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>>         History of language infrastructure:
>>         https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/entry/lexer
>>         <https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/entry/lexer>
>>
>>         Gj
>>
>>         On 7-11-2016 13:43, geertjan wielenga wrote:
>>>
>>>         Lots of people are interested in this. :-) Just a question
>>>         of time etc.
>>>
>>>         Gj
>>>
>>>         On 7-11-2016 13:40, Jean-Marc Borer wrote:
>>>>         Ok, so no one seems interested in this topic then...
>>>>
>>>>         On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Jean-Marc Borer
>>>>         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>             Hello members,
>>>>
>>>>             I know, it was already partly discussed in the thread
>>>>             http://forums.netbeans.org/viewtopic.php?t=65697&highlight=language+infrastructure
>>>>             <http://forums.netbeans.org/viewtopic.php?t=65697&highlight=language+infrastructure>
>>>>
>>>>             I wanted to start porting my simple language stucture
>>>>             based on the book "Rich Client Programming: Plugging
>>>>             into the NetBeans Platform
>>>>             <http://www.amazon.com/Rich-Client-Programming-Plugging-NetBeans/dp/0132354802>"
>>>>             to a modern approach and try to document it as a or
>>>>             several tutorials.
>>>>
>>>>             Reading through the thread again to refresh my memory,
>>>>             I will probably base my work on Quorum language (Thank
>>>>             yous Stefik) as well as what I can find at
>>>>             https://github.com/GeertjanWielenga/Python4NetBeans
>>>>             <https://github.com/GeertjanWielenga/Python4NetBeans>.
>>>>
>>>>             I hope those projects use the "most" state of the
>>>>             art implementation for a new language support. @Stefik
>>>>             and Geertjan, do you agree with this statement?
>>>>
>>>>             Now there are still some questions that I would like to
>>>>             be answered to be able to write a "clean" tutorial.
>>>>             Googling around and using information stored in my
>>>>             spongy memory ;), there is/were different language APIs
>>>>             in NB history.
>>>>
>>>>             First there is the old "roots" way described in Rich
>>>>             Client Programming book that I used in the first place.
>>>>             Then there was Schliemann which seems to be
>>>>             discontinued. Then came GSF which is
>>>>             partly documented/used in the NB tutorials. But now it
>>>>             seems it is also becoming deprecated. Now there is CSL.
>>>>
>>>>             Is CSL the new language infrastructure? It seems to
>>>>             have GSF parts in it, since the csl.api readme.txt fle
>>>>             still makes references to GSF.
>>>>
>>>>             Now I am lost. Can someone here out explain me:
>>>>             1) the history of the language infrastructures?
>>>>             2) tell me what is infrastructure to use now (state of
>>>>             the art) and its name (I have a hint but would prefer
>>>>             that someone confirms my idea)?
>>>>
>>>>             Help would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>             Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>             Jean-Marc
>>>>
>>>>
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