[TF-dev] Re: Oracle funds NetBeans Platform translation of 4 additional languages
Janice Campbell <[email protected]> Wed, 23 May 2012 16:53:27 -0700
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--f46d0418268e6bbc5404c0bcd712 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know Paul. I know how Oracle is. I just am saying that Emilian does make some very valid points and it would be great if you can advocate for it when the opportunity arises. NetBeans is not Oracle DB 11g, for example, and quality and compliance may have different requirements. Not less requirements, but different. Anyway, I know you are trying the best you can and I know you care about the NetBeans community. I am just giving my 2 cents. You do not need to defend the Oracle position. We know it and understand it. ;-) Janice On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 4:45 PM, JUN-HUI DUAN <[email protected]>wrot= e: > Janice, Emilian, > > When it is decided to officially support a local language for our product= , > translation quality is of a much greater importance than anything else. F= or > example, the translation team needs to make sure all translations are > consistent and accurate, the translation for this product are compliant > with other products released by Oracle, etc. > > Thanks, > Paul > > > On 2012-5-23 23:01, Janice Campbell wrote: > > +1 > > Enviado desde mi iPhone > > El May 23, 2012, a las 7:52 AM, Emilian Bold <[email protected]> > escribi=C3=B3: > > I can't imagine Oracle's costs but a localization on the Platform isn't > that expensive. I know because I hired somebody to do it in Romania. Of > course, not an official translator, but that surely is not exponentially > more expensive. > > I understand some languages got picked based on popularity and business > needs, but I can't imagine what kind of cost would be to start supporting > officially *all* the languages that already have managed to localize the > Platform. Even with Oracle's standards, the Platform is just not that big > to localize and hence not than expensive. > > The community rallied up and gave Oracle a free localization. If Oracle > is moving this in-house the least it could to is take over the thing and > not pick and choose. > > --emi > > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 5:38 PM, JUN-HUI DUAN <[email protected]>wr= ote: > >> Hi Emilian, >> >> Thanks for your questions. >> >> Decisions on language choices are not randomly made, they are based on >> factors considered as most important to the company. We will surely >> consider your suggestion here when we revisit the scope next time. >> >> You mentioned how we re-use current translations. In fact when we talk >> about officially supporting a language which was previously translated b= y >> community, it is not as simple as that - because it is now mandatory to >> adopt Oracle's standard of localized products for these languages, it ta= kes >> in-house linguists and translation vendors a lot of time and efforts to >> decide whether/how to re-use current translation. In some cases, we may >> have to start from scratch. This is by no means undermining the value of >> contribution of our community, but there is admittedly a gap between wha= t >> we have and what it is expected (for an official l10n product). >> >> Thanks, >> Paul >> >> >> On 2012-5-23 21:55, Emilian Bold wrote: >> >> I kinda lost track with what's going on here but -- when exactly will >> community based translation resume? I've seen there is an experiment wit= h >> launchpad.net -- is this the solution? >> >> As for the announcement, I guess it's a start, but it also signals that >> Oracle is moving things in-house. The funding is also minimal since they >> just need to maintain the already finished localization. >> >> Speaking of funding -- how about officially supporting the Romanian >> NetBeans Platform localization too? It's already done, it needs minimal >> maintenance, why not support it officially? Then, instead of worrying, a= t >> least I know I left it in good hands. >> >> --emi >> >> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:42 AM, JUN-HUI DUAN <[email protected]>= wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I'm pleased to announce that starting from version 7.2, Oracle funds th= e >>> translation of NetBeans Platform into French, German, Italian and >>> (Worldwide) Spanish, in addition to current four local languages >>> (Simplified Chinese, Japanese, Russian and Brazilian Portuguese). This >>> means after NetBeans 7.2, local developers speaking those four language= s >>> will be able to download localized NetBeans Platform officially release= d by >>> Oracle, we hope to improve developer's user experience with this change= . >>> Please note however this only applies to Platform part, the translation= of >>> NetBeans IDE into these four new languages are not yet planned. >>> >>> Feel free to let us know if you have any comments or questions on this >>> announcement. >>> >>> Thank you for your support to NetBeans, >>> Paul >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.josekibold.ro : Honesty & well-done software. >> >> > > > -- > http://www.josekibold.ro : Honesty & well-done software. > > --=20 Janice Campbell, PMP Gtalk: jlcampbell3 | YIM/AIM: janicelcampbell3 twitter: _janicec | Facebook: jlcampbell skype: janicelcampbell <http://www.linkedin.com/in/JaniceLCampbell> --f46d0418268e6bbc5404c0bcd712 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know Paul. I know how Oracle is. I just am saying that Emilian does make = some very valid points and it would be great if you can advocate for it whe= n the opportunity arises. <br>NetBeans is not Oracle DB 11g, for example, a= nd quality and compliance may have different requirements. Not less require= ments, but different. <br> <br>Anyway, I know you are trying the best you can and I know you care abou= t the NetBeans community. I am just giving my 2 cents. You do not need to d= efend the Oracle position. We know it and understand it.<br><br>;-) Janice<= br> <br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 4:45 PM, JUN-HUI DUA= N <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target= =3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl= ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p= adding-left:1ex"> =20 =20 =20 <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"> Janice, Emilian,<br> <br> When it is decided to officially support a local language for our product, translation quality is of a much greater importance than anything else. For example, the translation team needs to make sure all translations are consistent and accurate, the translation for this product are compliant with other products released by Oracle, etc.<br> <br> Thanks,<br> Paul<div><div class=3D"h5"><br> <br> On 2012-5-23 23:01, Janice Campbell wrote: <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div>+1<br> <br> Enviado desde mi iPhone</div> <div><br> El May 23, 2012, a las 7:52 AM, Emilian Bold <<a href=3D"mailto:= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> escribi=C3=B3:<br> <br> </div> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div>I can't imagine Oracle's costs but a localization on t= he Platform isn't that expensive. I know because I hired somebod= y to do it in Romania. Of course, not an official translator, but that surely is not exponentially more expensive. <div> <br> </div> <div>I understand some languages got picked based on popularity and business needs, but I can't imagine what kin= d of cost would be to start supporting officially *all* the languages that already have managed to localize the Platform. Even with Oracle's standards, the Platform is jus= t not that big to localize and hence not than expensive.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>The community rallied up and gave Oracle a free localization. If Oracle is moving this in-house the least it could to is take over the thing and not pick and choose.</div> <div> <div> <div><br> </div> <div> --emi<br> <br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 5:38 PM, JUN-HUI DUAN <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>><= /span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .= 8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"> Hi Emilian,<= br> <br> Thanks for your questions.<br> <br> Decisions on language choices are not randomly made, they are based on factors considered as most important to the company. We will surely consider your suggestion here when we revisit the scope next time.<br> <br> You mentioned how we re-use current translations. In fact when we talk about officially supporting a language which was previously translated by community, it is not as simple as that - because it is now mandatory to adopt Oracle's standard of localized products for these languages, it takes in-house linguists and translation vendors a lot of time and efforts to decide whether/how to re-use current translation. In some cases, we may have to start from scratch. This is by no means undermining the value of contribution of our community, but there is admittedly a gap between what we have and what it is expected (for an official l10n product).<br> <br> Thanks,<br> Paul <div> <div><br> <br> On 2012-5-23 21:55, Emilian Bold wrote: <blockquote type=3D"cite">I kinda lost track with what's going on here but -- when exactly will community based translation resume?=C2=A0I've seen there is an experime= nt with <a href=3D"http://launchpad.net" target=3D= "_blank">launchpad.net</a> -- is this the solution? <div> <div><br> </div> <div>As for the announcement, I guess it'= s a start, but it also signals that Oracle is moving things in-house.=C2=A0The funding is also minimal since they just need to maintain the already finished localization.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Speaking of funding -- how about officially supporting the Romanian NetBeans Platform localization too? It'= s already done, it needs minimal maintenance, why not support it officially? Then, instead of worrying, at least I know I left it in good hands.<br= > <div><br> </div> <div>--emi<br> <br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:42 AM, JUN-HUI DUAN <spa= n dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_bla= nk">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style= =3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello al= l,<br> <br> I'm pleased to announce that starting from version 7.2, Oracle funds the translation of NetBeans Platform into French, German, Italian and (Worldwide) Spanish, in addition to current four local languages (Simplified Chinese, Japanese, Russian and Brazilian Portuguese). This means after NetBeans 7.2, local developers speaking those four languages will be able to download localized NetBeans Platform officially released by Oracle, we hope to improve developer's user experience with this change. Please note however this only applies to Platform part, the translation of NetBeans IDE into these four new languages are not yet planned.<br> <br> Feel free to let us know if you have any comments or questions on this announcement.<br> <br> Thank you for your support to NetBeans,<br> Paul<br> </blockquote> </div> <br> <br clear=3D"all"> <div><br> </div> -- <br> <a href=3D"http://www.josekibold.ro" targ= et=3D"_blank">http://www.josekibold.ro</a> : Honesty & well-done software.<br> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <br> <br clear=3D"all"> <div><br> </div> -- <br> <a href=3D"http://www.josekibold.ro" target=3D"_blank">http= ://www.josekibold.ro</a> : Honesty & well-done software.<br> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </blockquote> </div></div></div> </blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Janice Campbell, PMP<br= >Gtalk: jlcampbell3 | YIM/AIM: janicelcampbell3 <br>twitter: _janicec | Fac= ebook: jlcampbell<br>skype: janicelcampbell<br><a href=3D"http://www.linked= in.com/in/JaniceLCampbell" target=3D"_blank"></a><br> --f46d0418268e6bbc5404c0bcd712--