Re: Re: Mount plugin in NB4.0

Hi IchBin,

we appreciate you posted your opinion to this list. However, it would be 
much more useful and constructive if you provided concrete examples of 
things that don't work for you and obstacles that you came across in the 
current development builds. Others on this list, including Vincent 
Brabant, Thomas Kelleler, Lew Bloch, Qintian Wang and others, have 
provided concrete input and constructive suggestions - yours would be 
much appreciated too. The best is if you at the same time post links to 
bug reports and enhancement requests in IssueZilla that you filed.

Thanks
Petr

IchBin wrote:

>Lew Bloch <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]: 
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>>The update system's summary of the "mount" plugin concludes with:
>>"De gustibus non disputandum est." ("There is no disputing with
>>taste.") 
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>>That is an unnecessarily snide and sarcastic comment.  The comment
>>obviously hearkens to the lively debate here about the merits of the
>>old (3.6) "mount" system, which many of us liked, and the difficulties
>>of the new "project" system, which leaves a significant fraction of
>>former netbeans devot'es out in the cold.  Apparently the netbeans
>>developers have reduced our sound engineering arguments in favor of
>>some of 3.6's strengths down to mere "taste". 
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>>I regret deeply that the formely open and welcoming culture of the
>>netbeans project has devolved into this sour, contemptuous disregard
>>for the will, recommendations and enthusiasm of its user base. 
>>Apparently the lip service paid to "user feedback" is a sop designed
>>to make us feel good while the real avenues of communication have been
>>blocked.  Now the netbeans developers crow about how they've given us
>>what we want with this plugin, while simultaneously revealing their
>>real attitude towards at least some of their user base.
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>>Come on, guys, open up a little.  Let go of the sarcasm and contempt
>>and get the message: there is a real usability issue and some really
>>good suggestions on how to deal with it.  You should listen to folks
>>like Qintian Wang and Silvio Berman, among others.  (Please forgive me
>>if I misspelled your names or otherwise erred.)  Many people have been
>>wooed by version 3.6 (see, for example, the raving praise from
>>"hireme" on 22 July), but they aren't likely to remain fans if the
>>problems with 4.0 aren't resolved. 
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>I second that... 
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>I have given up on version 4.0. I loved 3.2 to 3.6 and maybe I'd enjoy 
>4.0, but I have stop WASTING MY TIME with a very unfriendly product, now. 
>Has the module programmers base changed? Where I can not EVEN convert up 
>my 3.6 Projects. This should be the easiest task you should require a 
>product follower to do! 
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>I have since moved my projects to more friendly IDE's like Eclipse and 
>JDeveloper. If the cone heads at Netbeans want to treat their customer's 
>base (so to speak) that way, fine! They will be the losers in the long. I 
>do have 27 years in the computer programming field and no rookie! 
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>I am surprised that I would even THINK of Oracle over Netbeans because of 
>my independent rebel nature but the proof is in the pudding.
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>Now that I put in my two cents, I am sen less!
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