Re: Re: Mount plugin in NB4.0

Hi Petr,

I think IchBin came in help of those you mention and... well, that comment
in the mount plugin elicits such comments, don't you agree?

Lluis Turro, Barcelona
http://www.turro.org

Petr Jiricka said:
> Hi IchBin,
>
> we appreciate you posted your opinion to this list. However, it would be
> much more useful and constructive if you provided concrete examples of
> things that don't work for you and obstacles that you came across in the
> current development builds. Others on this list, including Vincent
> Brabant, Thomas Kelleler, Lew Bloch, Qintian Wang and others, have
> provided concrete input and constructive suggestions - yours would be
> much appreciated too. The best is if you at the same time post links to
> bug reports and enhancement requests in IssueZilla that you filed.
>
> Thanks
> Petr
>
> IchBin wrote:
>
>>Lew Bloch <[email protected]> wrote in
>>news:[email protected]:
>>
>>
>>
>>>The update system's summary of the "mount" plugin concludes with:
>>>"De gustibus non disputandum est." ("There is no disputing with
>>>taste.")
>>>
>>>That is an unnecessarily snide and sarcastic comment.  The comment
>>>obviously hearkens to the lively debate here about the merits of the
>>>old (3.6) "mount" system, which many of us liked, and the difficulties
>>>of the new "project" system, which leaves a significant fraction of
>>>former netbeans devot'es out in the cold.  Apparently the netbeans
>>>developers have reduced our sound engineering arguments in favor of
>>>some of 3.6's strengths down to mere "taste".
>>>
>>>I regret deeply that the formely open and welcoming culture of the
>>>netbeans project has devolved into this sour, contemptuous disregard
>>>for the will, recommendations and enthusiasm of its user base.
>>>Apparently the lip service paid to "user feedback" is a sop designed
>>>to make us feel good while the real avenues of communication have been
>>>blocked.  Now the netbeans developers crow about how they've given us
>>>what we want with this plugin, while simultaneously revealing their
>>>real attitude towards at least some of their user base.
>>>
>>>Come on, guys, open up a little.  Let go of the sarcasm and contempt
>>>and get the message: there is a real usability issue and some really
>>>good suggestions on how to deal with it.  You should listen to folks
>>>like Qintian Wang and Silvio Berman, among others.  (Please forgive me
>>>if I misspelled your names or otherwise erred.)  Many people have been
>>>wooed by version 3.6 (see, for example, the raving praise from
>>>"hireme" on 22 July), but they aren't likely to remain fans if the
>>>problems with 4.0 aren't resolved.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I second that...
>>
>>I have given up on version 4.0. I loved 3.2 to 3.6 and maybe I'd enjoy
>>4.0, but I have stop WASTING MY TIME with a very unfriendly product, now.
>>Has the module programmers base changed? Where I can not EVEN convert up
>>my 3.6 Projects. This should be the easiest task you should require a
>>product follower to do!
>>
>>I have since moved my projects to more friendly IDE's like Eclipse and
>>JDeveloper. If the cone heads at Netbeans want to treat their customer's
>>base (so to speak) that way, fine! They will be the losers in the long. I
>>do have 27 years in the computer programming field and no rookie!
>>
>>I am surprised that I would even THINK of Oracle over Netbeans because of
>>my independent rebel nature but the proof is in the pudding.
>>
>>Now that I put in my two cents, I am sen less!
>>
>>