Re: mavenized oscore, propertyset & osuser

Please please drop this. Nobody wants maven, you might, but just as I'm 
willing to pay attention to something that EVERYTHING wants, you should 
be willing to accept that at best, maven is a controversial choice that 
makes enough people uncomfortable that it isn't going to happen anytime 
soon. We're not idiots, we're not ignorant of the so called advantages 
of maven, we just think it's a waste of effort and time for very little 
gain. You're free to disagree with this and use maven all you want, 
just keep it out of opensymphony.

On Dec 18, 2003, at 7:04 PM, J. Matthew Pryor wrote:

> OK gentlemen, so as not to have this degrade into to flameout, how 
> about I
> propose a challenge.
>
> I am happy to invest some time into showing why I think there are 
> compelling
> reasons to use (not change over to) maven for certain aspects of the
> OpenSymphony project.
>
> This is not a religion thing, its a quality thing.
>
> OpenSymphony needs an active community. I am willing to contribute; I
> personally think maven can help a lot now.
>
> Leaving technology aside, if it can be shown to significantly improve 
> the
> community & quality of the various projects, then we have something to 
> argue
> about (or agree on ;)
>
> This is not at the expense of Ant builds; of course they can be 
> maintinaed.
> But OSS projects will die without active committers and flatly 
> refusing to
> consider something that *MAY* help invigorate the projects doesn't 
> seem like
> a smart move to me. Lets base this on a results based assesment.
>
> Anyway until I can show people something impressive, this is all just
> keystrokes.
>
> Matthew
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf 
>> Of
>> [email protected]
>> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:57 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [Opensymphony-developers] mavenized oscore, propertyset &
>> osuser
>>
>>
>> [email protected] wrote on 
>> 19/12/2003
>> 02:39:47 AM:
>>
>>> I've ranted and raved elsewhere about maven far too much as it is,
>>> google for 'maven bileblog' for more info.
>>
>> Like I hadn't noticed.
>>
>>> Regarding docs, Maven doesn't give you any extra docs, it gives you 
>>> the
>>> illusion of documentation which in any ways is more dangerous.
>>
>> Heck, I'd take an illusion over the fantastic tutorial @
>> http://www.opensymphony.com/osuser/ anyday. The actual user 
>> documentation
>> on OsUser is almost nil.
>> Who could give a rats ass about pluggable providers if they can't
>> work out
>> how to use the thing in the first place. It hasn't had a 1.0 release 
>> and
>> someone has already 'started refactoring it mercilessly'.  Sounds like
>> Maven all over again.
>>
>>> Ultimately, someone interesting in the usage of osuser couldn't give 
>>> a
>>> crap about how well the test coverage is, or any of the millions of
>>> other generic project pages that maven craps out.
>>
>> Who cares what Maven pumps out? The lack of usable documentation
>> on OsUser
>> almost stopped me using it for a project recently. Where's the 
>> freaking
>> download link for &deity;'s sake? And the web site @
>> https://osuser.dev.java.net/ is a joke. I sent a patch in for it 
>> months
>> ago to point to the os site, but that was soundly ignored.
>>
>>> The only way for docs to happen is for someone to do them the old
>>> fashioned way, by going through the library and documenting how 
>>> things
>>> work, and how to best make use of it all.
>> Well duh.
>> --
>> dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
>> Blog:      http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/dion/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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