Re: OSWorkFlow moving to Codehaus??

What about OSWorkflow's dependency on other OpenSymphony products 
(oscore, etc.)? I guess this doesn't actually make that much of a 
difference since they don't really seem to be in sync anyways.

As an end-user who has submitted a few patches here and there for 
OSWorkflow, I'm +1 if it makes you happy (for whatever reason really), 
since it seems you are by far the main force willing to put time into 
maintaining and supporting OSWorkflow... On the infrastructure side I 
have no fear that CodeHaus will be at least as reliable.

Regards,
Colin

Hani Suleiman wrote:

> Weird, I didn't see the original.
>
> I was in fact going to float the idea in private to the powers that be 
> here, to see where things stand and so on, but since it's public, 
> might as well float the idea in public.
>
> First, I don't think I'm king. I'm not trying to wield power or throw 
> my weight around. If I did, I'd go for maximum effect and move 
> everything I can, I have no interest in doing so.
>
> Basically what it's come down to is that it's just not fun having to 
> deal with various aspects of opensymphony. I realise fully of course 
> that more often than not, this is completely self-inflicted. At the 
> end of the day where we're at now is that Pat is at the stage where 
> he's said that he'll basically ignore everything I say, since when I'm 
> annoyed about something, I'm unable to couch it in terms polite enough 
> for him to digest, so he'll just ignore the lot.
>
> There's also a matter of a certain level of professionalism and care. 
> Sure, we all have jobs that take priority, but it's rather deflating 
> to see the OS stuff constantly being put on some sort of back burner; 
> a general laziness, where it's OK for the website (or wiki) to be 
> broken for a day or two, it'll be fixed the next time maintainer X has 
> time.
>
> Then there's server uptime, which speaks for itself.
>
> So why codehaus? I hate most of the projects on there, I've not been 
> shy about saying that. Looking past that though, the one thing they do 
> excel at is services. I know that when something does go wrong, it'll 
> take minutes to fix. Maybe it's a timezone thing, who knows.
>
> Why osworkflow? Well, it's a standalone unit to which I feel the most 
> ownership. It also does not make the decision for anyone else; with 
> all the other projects I deal with there are other people who put in 
> significant effort that it would have to be their decision. I 
> certainly don't plan on resigning or sinking opensymphony, and will 
> happily keep working on all the projects I'm involved in.
>
> As is constantly pointed out to me, opensource should be an enjoyable 
> and fulfilling past time. I enjoy the work I do for OS, but as I'm 
> reminded time and time again lately, certain parts of it just aren't 
> fun, and those parts are often meta-issues, rather than project 
> specifics, so I'm considering changing the environment to one where 
> dealing with the meta-issues might not be so unsatisfying and annoying.
>
> I haven't decided anything, and as has been pointed out, it isn't 
> entirely my decision. Obviously, I don't expect people to jump up and 
> down and cheer at the idea, and in reality, I really think very little 
> will change; certainly OS won't end up being neglected (any more than 
> it is), or my contribution decreasing (any more than it has). Nor is 
> this any sort of tip of the iceberg type deal. All I'm moving, and all 
> I intend to move, is OSWorkflow.
>
> So, thoughts?
>
> On Apr 27, 2004, at 8:37 PM, Joseph Ottinger wrote:
>
>> Well, Mathias, Opensymphony as a repository is nice, but as a social
>> structure, it blows. I don't want to get maudlin or anything, but OS 
>> does
>> virtually nothing to make sure that project identification is worth 
>> beans.
>>
>> On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Mathias Bogaert wrote:
>>
>>> Hani,
>>>
>>> A thread on the Codehaus Hausmates mailing list discusses the fact that
>>> you would like to move OSWorkFlow to Codehaus.
>>>
>>> Why? Why was not asked on this list first?
>>>
>>> I don't like projects we all work on, we all contribute to (in various
>>> ways, even by merely promoting OpenSymphony) to be moved around without
>>> a general consensus and good, valid reasons. OpenSymphony is an
>>> umbrella project of multiple parties, not of one guy thinking he is
>>> king.
>>>
>>> Mathias
>>



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