Re: OSWorkFlow moving to Codehaus??

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Colin Sampaleanu wrote:

> What about OSWorkflow's dependency on other OpenSymphony products
> (oscore, etc.)? I guess this doesn't actually make that much of a
> difference since they don't really seem to be in sync anyways.

What relevant dependency does it have? OSCore has a lot of stuff in it
that gets ignored and I'm pretty sure it'd be easy to rip out whatever was
needed.

> As an end-user who has submitted a few patches here and there for
> OSWorkflow, I'm +1 if it makes you happy (for whatever reason really),
> since it seems you are by far the main force willing to put time into
> maintaining and supporting OSWorkflow... On the infrastructure side I
> have no fear that CodeHaus will be at least as reliable.
>
> Regards,
> Colin
>
> Hani Suleiman wrote:
>
> > Weird, I didn't see the original.
> >
> > I was in fact going to float the idea in private to the powers that be
> > here, to see where things stand and so on, but since it's public,
> > might as well float the idea in public.
> >
> > First, I don't think I'm king. I'm not trying to wield power or throw
> > my weight around. If I did, I'd go for maximum effect and move
> > everything I can, I have no interest in doing so.
> >
> > Basically what it's come down to is that it's just not fun having to
> > deal with various aspects of opensymphony. I realise fully of course
> > that more often than not, this is completely self-inflicted. At the
> > end of the day where we're at now is that Pat is at the stage where
> > he's said that he'll basically ignore everything I say, since when I'm
> > annoyed about something, I'm unable to couch it in terms polite enough
> > for him to digest, so he'll just ignore the lot.
> >
> > There's also a matter of a certain level of professionalism and care.
> > Sure, we all have jobs that take priority, but it's rather deflating
> > to see the OS stuff constantly being put on some sort of back burner;
> > a general laziness, where it's OK for the website (or wiki) to be
> > broken for a day or two, it'll be fixed the next time maintainer X has
> > time.
> >
> > Then there's server uptime, which speaks for itself.
> >
> > So why codehaus? I hate most of the projects on there, I've not been
> > shy about saying that. Looking past that though, the one thing they do
> > excel at is services. I know that when something does go wrong, it'll
> > take minutes to fix. Maybe it's a timezone thing, who knows.
> >
> > Why osworkflow? Well, it's a standalone unit to which I feel the most
> > ownership. It also does not make the decision for anyone else; with
> > all the other projects I deal with there are other people who put in
> > significant effort that it would have to be their decision. I
> > certainly don't plan on resigning or sinking opensymphony, and will
> > happily keep working on all the projects I'm involved in.
> >
> > As is constantly pointed out to me, opensource should be an enjoyable
> > and fulfilling past time. I enjoy the work I do for OS, but as I'm
> > reminded time and time again lately, certain parts of it just aren't
> > fun, and those parts are often meta-issues, rather than project
> > specifics, so I'm considering changing the environment to one where
> > dealing with the meta-issues might not be so unsatisfying and annoying.
> >
> > I haven't decided anything, and as has been pointed out, it isn't
> > entirely my decision. Obviously, I don't expect people to jump up and
> > down and cheer at the idea, and in reality, I really think very little
> > will change; certainly OS won't end up being neglected (any more than
> > it is), or my contribution decreasing (any more than it has). Nor is
> > this any sort of tip of the iceberg type deal. All I'm moving, and all
> > I intend to move, is OSWorkflow.
> >
> > So, thoughts?
> >
> > On Apr 27, 2004, at 8:37 PM, Joseph Ottinger wrote:
> >
> >> Well, Mathias, Opensymphony as a repository is nice, but as a social
> >> structure, it blows. I don't want to get maudlin or anything, but OS
> >> does
> >> virtually nothing to make sure that project identification is worth
> >> beans.
> >>
> >> On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Mathias Bogaert wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hani,
> >>>
> >>> A thread on the Codehaus Hausmates mailing list discusses the fact that
> >>> you would like to move OSWorkFlow to Codehaus.
> >>>
> >>> Why? Why was not asked on this list first?
> >>>
> >>> I don't like projects we all work on, we all contribute to (in various
> >>> ways, even by merely promoting OpenSymphony) to be moved around without
> >>> a general consensus and good, valid reasons. OpenSymphony is an
> >>> umbrella project of multiple parties, not of one guy thinking he is
> >>> king.
> >>>
> >>> Mathias
> >>
>
>
>
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