Re: OSWorkFlow moving to Codehaus??

On Apr 27, 2004, at 10:09 PM, Mathias Bogaert wrote:

> We might indeed have occasional downtime, but this is not a reason to 
> move, only a reason to improve the way we work. This can and will be 
> fixed. Mike and Scott have put OpenSymphony on a faster server, moved 
> the JIRA install to 2.6, installed Confluence as wiki and migrated all 
> data.
>
How long does one wait? The confluence move imho happened too soon. 
Confluence has fairly bad performance right now, and OS shouldn't be 
the guinea pig. I realise that we're being done a favour by having a 
free license, but likewise, atlassian gain plenty by having more people 
using their product and giving feedback. There's no charity involved.

While I'm grateful for Mike's help in migrating oswf, the wiki for a 
few days (and still has many sections) which are incomplete simply 
because nobody could be bothered, or someone forgot, or it's just not 
interesting enough to get to be perfect, when 'barely good enough' is 
sufficient.

> IMO Codehaus is becoming a pool of single-man projects (just look at 
> the amount of JIRA projects) without many releases and maven-generated 
> sites without good hand- written documentation. Codehaus has a lot of 
> 'technology' driven bleeding edge projects, which is cool, but none of 
> which I can use in my day job (except maybe for Groovy and 
> Picocontainer). OpenSymphony otoh has less projects, but at least they 
> are usable, more developed and have some sort of consistent 
> documentation.
>
Oh sure, codehaus projects are utter shit, you won't found anyone 
who'll say that louder or more often than I do. I have no intention of 
using a single one of their crappy little projects (well, xjb looks 
handy, but that's about it). I have no interest in maven or any of 
their crud, oswf won't lose anything or change if it moves, at least 
not in my (potentially very naive) opinion or if I have anything to do 
with it.

> Once you move one project, what keeps the other project owners from 
> moving 'their' pet projects wherever they want? You are setting a 
> precedent.

That's their right. As I've been told time and time again, the people 
who put in the effort are the ones that get to make the decision. Thus, 
moving oswf would be easy because I'm the only one putting in the 
effort (not that I'm complaining).



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