Re: OSWorkFlow moving to Codehaus??

No! Sure the deps can be annoying, but I like those little components  
and they work nicely.

On Apr 27, 2004, at 10:17 PM, Mathias Bogaert wrote:

> Sure, I've opted for throwing out a lot of the stuff, but this would  
> break backward compability.
>
> Perhaps we should take a stand and dump it all for the next release.  
> Thoughts? Votes?
>
> Mathias
>
> On 27 Apr 2004, at 22:48, Joseph Ottinger wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Colin Sampaleanu wrote:
>>
>>> What about OSWorkflow's dependency on other OpenSymphony products
>>> (oscore, etc.)? I guess this doesn't actually make that much of a
>>> difference since they don't really seem to be in sync anyways.
>>
>> What relevant dependency does it have? OSCore has a lot of stuff in it
>> that gets ignored and I'm pretty sure it'd be easy to rip out  
>> whatever was
>> needed.
>>
>>> As an end-user who has submitted a few patches here and there for
>>> OSWorkflow, I'm +1 if it makes you happy (for whatever reason  
>>> really),
>>> since it seems you are by far the main force willing to put time into
>>> maintaining and supporting OSWorkflow... On the infrastructure side I
>>> have no fear that CodeHaus will be at least as reliable.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Colin
>>>
>>> Hani Suleiman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Weird, I didn't see the original.
>>>>
>>>> I was in fact going to float the idea in private to the powers that  
>>>> be
>>>> here, to see where things stand and so on, but since it's public,
>>>> might as well float the idea in public.
>>>>
>>>> First, I don't think I'm king. I'm not trying to wield power or  
>>>> throw
>>>> my weight around. If I did, I'd go for maximum effect and move
>>>> everything I can, I have no interest in doing so.
>>>>
>>>> Basically what it's come down to is that it's just not fun having to
>>>> deal with various aspects of opensymphony. I realise fully of course
>>>> that more often than not, this is completely self-inflicted. At the
>>>> end of the day where we're at now is that Pat is at the stage where
>>>> he's said that he'll basically ignore everything I say, since when  
>>>> I'm
>>>> annoyed about something, I'm unable to couch it in terms polite  
>>>> enough
>>>> for him to digest, so he'll just ignore the lot.
>>>>
>>>> There's also a matter of a certain level of professionalism and  
>>>> care.
>>>> Sure, we all have jobs that take priority, but it's rather deflating
>>>> to see the OS stuff constantly being put on some sort of back  
>>>> burner;
>>>> a general laziness, where it's OK for the website (or wiki) to be
>>>> broken for a day or two, it'll be fixed the next time maintainer X  
>>>> has
>>>> time.
>>>>
>>>> Then there's server uptime, which speaks for itself.
>>>>
>>>> So why codehaus? I hate most of the projects on there, I've not been
>>>> shy about saying that. Looking past that though, the one thing they  
>>>> do
>>>> excel at is services. I know that when something does go wrong,  
>>>> it'll
>>>> take minutes to fix. Maybe it's a timezone thing, who knows.
>>>>
>>>> Why osworkflow? Well, it's a standalone unit to which I feel the  
>>>> most
>>>> ownership. It also does not make the decision for anyone else; with
>>>> all the other projects I deal with there are other people who put in
>>>> significant effort that it would have to be their decision. I
>>>> certainly don't plan on resigning or sinking opensymphony, and will
>>>> happily keep working on all the projects I'm involved in.
>>>>
>>>> As is constantly pointed out to me, opensource should be an  
>>>> enjoyable
>>>> and fulfilling past time. I enjoy the work I do for OS, but as I'm
>>>> reminded time and time again lately, certain parts of it just aren't
>>>> fun, and those parts are often meta-issues, rather than project
>>>> specifics, so I'm considering changing the environment to one where
>>>> dealing with the meta-issues might not be so unsatisfying and  
>>>> annoying.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't decided anything, and as has been pointed out, it isn't
>>>> entirely my decision. Obviously, I don't expect people to jump up  
>>>> and
>>>> down and cheer at the idea, and in reality, I really think very  
>>>> little
>>>> will change; certainly OS won't end up being neglected (any more  
>>>> than
>>>> it is), or my contribution decreasing (any more than it has). Nor is
>>>> this any sort of tip of the iceberg type deal. All I'm moving, and  
>>>> all
>>>> I intend to move, is OSWorkflow.
>>>>
>>>> So, thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 27, 2004, at 8:37 PM, Joseph Ottinger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, Mathias, Opensymphony as a repository is nice, but as a  
>>>>> social
>>>>> structure, it blows. I don't want to get maudlin or anything, but  
>>>>> OS
>>>>> does
>>>>> virtually nothing to make sure that project identification is worth
>>>>> beans.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Mathias Bogaert wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hani,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A thread on the Codehaus Hausmates mailing list discusses the  
>>>>>> fact that
>>>>>> you would like to move OSWorkFlow to Codehaus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why? Why was not asked on this list first?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't like projects we all work on, we all contribute to (in  
>>>>>> various
>>>>>> ways, even by merely promoting OpenSymphony) to be moved around  
>>>>>> without
>>>>>> a general consensus and good, valid reasons. OpenSymphony is an
>>>>>> umbrella project of multiple parties, not of one guy thinking he  
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> king.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mathias
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
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