Re: OSWorkFlow moving to Codehaus??

Sure, I've opted for throwing out a lot of the stuff, but this would 
break backward compability.

Perhaps we should take a stand and dump it all for the next release. 
Thoughts? Votes?

Mathias

On 27 Apr 2004, at 22:48, Joseph Ottinger wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Colin Sampaleanu wrote:
>
>> What about OSWorkflow's dependency on other OpenSymphony products
>> (oscore, etc.)? I guess this doesn't actually make that much of a
>> difference since they don't really seem to be in sync anyways.
>
> What relevant dependency does it have? OSCore has a lot of stuff in it
> that gets ignored and I'm pretty sure it'd be easy to rip out whatever 
> was
> needed.
>
>> As an end-user who has submitted a few patches here and there for
>> OSWorkflow, I'm +1 if it makes you happy (for whatever reason really),
>> since it seems you are by far the main force willing to put time into
>> maintaining and supporting OSWorkflow... On the infrastructure side I
>> have no fear that CodeHaus will be at least as reliable.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Colin
>>
>> Hani Suleiman wrote:
>>
>>> Weird, I didn't see the original.
>>>
>>> I was in fact going to float the idea in private to the powers that 
>>> be
>>> here, to see where things stand and so on, but since it's public,
>>> might as well float the idea in public.
>>>
>>> First, I don't think I'm king. I'm not trying to wield power or throw
>>> my weight around. If I did, I'd go for maximum effect and move
>>> everything I can, I have no interest in doing so.
>>>
>>> Basically what it's come down to is that it's just not fun having to
>>> deal with various aspects of opensymphony. I realise fully of course
>>> that more often than not, this is completely self-inflicted. At the
>>> end of the day where we're at now is that Pat is at the stage where
>>> he's said that he'll basically ignore everything I say, since when 
>>> I'm
>>> annoyed about something, I'm unable to couch it in terms polite 
>>> enough
>>> for him to digest, so he'll just ignore the lot.
>>>
>>> There's also a matter of a certain level of professionalism and care.
>>> Sure, we all have jobs that take priority, but it's rather deflating
>>> to see the OS stuff constantly being put on some sort of back burner;
>>> a general laziness, where it's OK for the website (or wiki) to be
>>> broken for a day or two, it'll be fixed the next time maintainer X 
>>> has
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Then there's server uptime, which speaks for itself.
>>>
>>> So why codehaus? I hate most of the projects on there, I've not been
>>> shy about saying that. Looking past that though, the one thing they 
>>> do
>>> excel at is services. I know that when something does go wrong, it'll
>>> take minutes to fix. Maybe it's a timezone thing, who knows.
>>>
>>> Why osworkflow? Well, it's a standalone unit to which I feel the most
>>> ownership. It also does not make the decision for anyone else; with
>>> all the other projects I deal with there are other people who put in
>>> significant effort that it would have to be their decision. I
>>> certainly don't plan on resigning or sinking opensymphony, and will
>>> happily keep working on all the projects I'm involved in.
>>>
>>> As is constantly pointed out to me, opensource should be an enjoyable
>>> and fulfilling past time. I enjoy the work I do for OS, but as I'm
>>> reminded time and time again lately, certain parts of it just aren't
>>> fun, and those parts are often meta-issues, rather than project
>>> specifics, so I'm considering changing the environment to one where
>>> dealing with the meta-issues might not be so unsatisfying and 
>>> annoying.
>>>
>>> I haven't decided anything, and as has been pointed out, it isn't
>>> entirely my decision. Obviously, I don't expect people to jump up and
>>> down and cheer at the idea, and in reality, I really think very 
>>> little
>>> will change; certainly OS won't end up being neglected (any more than
>>> it is), or my contribution decreasing (any more than it has). Nor is
>>> this any sort of tip of the iceberg type deal. All I'm moving, and 
>>> all
>>> I intend to move, is OSWorkflow.
>>>
>>> So, thoughts?
>>>
>>> On Apr 27, 2004, at 8:37 PM, Joseph Ottinger wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, Mathias, Opensymphony as a repository is nice, but as a social
>>>> structure, it blows. I don't want to get maudlin or anything, but OS
>>>> does
>>>> virtually nothing to make sure that project identification is worth
>>>> beans.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Mathias Bogaert wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hani,
>>>>>
>>>>> A thread on the Codehaus Hausmates mailing list discusses the fact 
>>>>> that
>>>>> you would like to move OSWorkFlow to Codehaus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why? Why was not asked on this list first?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't like projects we all work on, we all contribute to (in 
>>>>> various
>>>>> ways, even by merely promoting OpenSymphony) to be moved around 
>>>>> without
>>>>> a general consensus and good, valid reasons. OpenSymphony is an
>>>>> umbrella project of multiple parties, not of one guy thinking he is
>>>>> king.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mathias
>>>>
>>
>>
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