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chatbot> New thread by Greg Pelly: Using Cookies with Interceptors (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?threadID=52119)
chatbot> New reply by tm_jee: Using Cookies with Interceptors (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105222)
chatbot> New thread by Cuong Hoang: Binding a map of collection (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?threadID=52144)
chatbot> New reply by Mathi: JasperReports + Empty report is generated for HTML type in Linux env (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105243)
mrdon> howdy
wesslan> yo
mrdon> deployed the new snippet plugin at apache
mrdon> working pretty well
wesslan> hmmm
wesslan> haven't looked at that
mrdon> will deploy at opensymphony as soon as confluence is upgraded
wesslan> yet... :)
wesslan> Maybe 'cause you just dep,oyed it :)
wesslan> Forgive me for being confused (had a bunch of rough child-nights :) ), but what exactly does the plugin do?
chatbot> New thread by khanhluong: problem with page devision in webwork 2.2.2 (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?threadID=52153)
chatbot> New reply by Philip Luppens: problem with page devision in webwork 2.2.2 (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105254)
chatbot> New reply by Philip Luppens: JasperReports + Empty report is generated for HTML type in Linux env (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105255)
chatbot> New reply by khanhluong: problem with page devision in webwork 2.2.2 (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105256)
mrdon> it allows you to write docs in your javadocs, for example, then include them in a confluence page
mrdon> they are heavily used for things like interceptors
mrdon> where we want to keep things like a description and parameter list in the source code, yet want it included in our published docs
mrdon> http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/CONFEXT/Snippet+Plugin
wesslan> cool!
wesslan> "This can ensure that code examples in your documentation are kept up-to-date since they are sourced from the original code" - very nice
mrdon> it also means you get nice, useful javadocs for free
mrdon> the snippet has been around for a while, but always hard-coded to specific repositories and without any administrative features
mrdon> I added configuration, error handling, and data management
wesslan> Nicely done :)
chatbot> New reply by Philip Luppens: problem with page devision in webwork 2.2.2 (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105258)
chatbot> New reply by Philip Luppens: Using Cookies with Interceptors (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105259)
chatbot> New reply by khanhluong: problem with page devision in webwork 2.2.2 (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105261)
chatbot> New reply by Philip Luppens: problem with page devision in webwork 2.2.2 (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105264)
chatbot> New reply by khanhluong: problem with page devision in webwork 2.2.2 (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105268)
chatbot> New thread by xyzcom1983: Why do I need to send a password when I run the showcase project??? (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?threadID=52159)
chatbot> New reply by Philip Luppens: Why do I need to send a password when I run the showcase project??? (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105270)
chatbot> New thread by David Andersen: anyone having trouble using @ww form tags in a freemarker result? (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?threadID=52163)
chatbot> New reply by Philip Luppens: anyone having trouble using @ww form tags in a freemarker result? (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105275)
chatbot> New reply by Martin Gilday: anyone having trouble using @ww form tags in a freemarker result? (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105277)
chatbot> New thread by Jesse Miller: very strange error with xwork.xml (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?threadID=52170)
chatbot> New reply by Philip Luppens: very strange error with xwork.xml (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105291)
chatbot> New reply by Jesse Miller: very strange error with xwork.xml (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105299)
chatbot> New thread by Erwin Fallaux: Tabbed panel with vertical tabs (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?threadID=52175)
chatbot> New thread by Novice At Work: DispayTag + Webwork + Decorator (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?threadID=52185)
chatbot> New reply by Philip Luppens: DispayTag + Webwork + Decorator (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105330)
Phil> Hey Don

Phil> Just a quick question: what version of OGNL is being used in s2 ? And, more importantly, I remember a bit of a discussing about being (un)able to plugin another EL

Phil> I also remember someone saying it was not really an option, since ognl was nested so deep in WW

chatbot> New reply by Philip Luppens: DispayTag + Webwork + Decorator (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105334)
mrdon> why, you need to replace ognl?
mrdon> we are using the latest I believe
mrdon> and yes, you can replace it in most cases but there are still a few places hard-wired to ognl
Phil> Ok, I was just asking .. I revisited a performance review from WW/s2, and saw a couple of points about ognl

Phil> It's here, if you hadn't seen it before: http://javajmc.blogspot.com/2006/10/webwork-and-stripes-simple-performance.html

chatbot> New thread by mike haberman: Migration to 2.2.3 problems with OGNL syntax/parameter interceptor (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?threadID=52191)
mrdon> Yep, that's one reason I want to see it replaced in struts 3.0 or even 2.1
Phil> No possibility to go for a bytecode enhanced OGNL version ? :)

mrdon> perhaps
Phil> Allow me to rephrase that - what would you replace it with ?

mrdon> I think this is the most promising: http://weblogs.java.net/blog/jhook/archive/2006/11/extending_el_sy.html
Phil> jstl ?

mrdon> I like the standard of jsp/jstl/jsf EL but want things like method invocation
Phil> Otoh; what about doing something tapestry ?

mrdon> ?
Phil> like*

mrdon> tapestry uses ognl
Phil> didn't they use a special 'prop:' case where they optimized bean transversal ?

mrdon> perhaps ... 
mrdon> but the big problem, IMO, is how you need to understand and use 3 different expression languages just to write a page
mrdon> JSP, OGNL, Freemarker if overriding a template
mrdon> way too confusing
Phil> I mean: I use only like 10% of the ognl possibilities (and I'm quite sure I'm not the only one)

mrdon> agreed
Phil> Too confusing ? Hmm, depends - you can stick with Java (jsp + jstl) as well, no ?

mrdon> not really because the tags still use ognl in their attributes
mrdon> to evaluate expressions
mrdon> and freemarker is required for anything more than trivial tag usage
Phil> True, but ognl isn't exactly a very 'complicated' language - and unless you want to create small maps/lists, I don't think it comes up as any more difficult than jstl

Phil> I'm in a bad position to judge the freemarker thing - I like it and I've been using if for a few years now

chatbot> New reply by Novice At Work: DispayTag + Webwork + Decorator (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105341)
mrdon> it isn't that it is complicated, but it is just different
mrdon> three different things that do the same thing
mrdon> more to learn, more to provide tool support
mrdon> no reason, imo, they should be different
mrdon> standardize and move on to more interesting problems
chatbot> New reply by Novice At Work: DispayTag + Webwork + Decorator (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105342)
chatbot> New reply by Philip Luppens: DispayTag + Webwork + Decorator (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105343)
Phil> Well, got to go

Phil> Cheers

mrdon> bye
chatbot> New reply by Pavan: datepicker and cssStyle issue. (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105344)
chatbot> New reply by Greg Pelly: Using Cookies with Interceptors (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105347)
chatbot> New thread by MartyH: problem with losing data after validation (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?threadID=52199)
chatbot> New reply by MartyH: problem with losing data after validation (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105371)
chatbot> New reply by Jesse Miller: very strange error with xwork.xml (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105373)
chatbot> New reply by Rick Holland: Datepicker in struts 2.0.1 does not collapse (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105374)
chatbot> New reply by Philip Luppens: very strange error with xwork.xml (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105375)
chatbot> New reply by Philip Luppens: very strange error with xwork.xml (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105377)
chatbot> New reply by Jesse Miller: very strange error with xwork.xml (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105379)
chatbot> New reply by Jesse Miller: very strange error with xwork.xml (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105381)
chatbot> New reply by David Andersen: anyone having trouble using @ww form tags in a freemarker result? (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105383)
chatbot> New reply by David Andersen: anyone having trouble using @ww form tags in a freemarker result? (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105384)
chatbot> New thread by Harry Ulrich: ww.radio not validating correctly (may be a bug?) (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?threadID=52213)
chatbot> New reply by Philip Luppens: very strange error with xwork.xml (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=105387)
chatbot> New thread by rama: webwork tags (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?threadID=52217)

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