Re: Fwd: Re: [Tapestry-developer] Tapestry and RSS

So far, it's been either pretty URLs or templates that work in WYSIWYG
editors; I haven't found a way (even using the <base> tag) to have it both
ways.  Every time I change to long URLs, encoding all the information in the
path info instead of in query parameters, something important breaks for
somebody.  In addition, the way service parameters are encoded now (as
objects encoded as strings, rather than just strings) is somewhat reliant on
using query parameters.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew C. Oliver" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Cc: "Tapestry Contrib" <tapestry-contrib-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Tapestry-contrib] Fwd: Re: [Tapestry-developer] Tapestry and
RSS


> While I don't think my opinion should count for much on this.  I am in
> the URL control crowd.
> Take a look at what Cocoon does with its sitemap (xml.apache.org/cocoon).
>
> URLs are pretty important in some companies and Can be a powerful tool
> for usability.
>
> -Andy
>
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >i'm reposting this, as it never made it to the list :)
> >
> >
> >On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:46:12 -0500, [email protected] said:
> >
> >
> >>hi,
> >>
> >>i don't know if i count as a "user" but i do like short urls, that tell
> >>about the structure of a site's information. i like it when i can easily
> >>navigate around if i get a 404 (ok, linkrot is bad too, but it's a fact
> >>of life). or jump straight to something i know is there, but have not
> >>bookmarked it (eg. i can jump to the javadoc of java.lang.String without
> >>having it bookmarked, or even bringing up the page)...
> >>
> >>as a site-builder, i like nice urls that i can send out in an email
> >>without it breaking (less than 80 chars) on certain mail readers... or
> >>print on a piece of paper and a user can type it in... simple urls make
> >>log analysis easier too.
> >>
> >>call me weird, but other's share my opinion - here's a couple of links
> >>google gave me for "url usability":
> >>
> >>http://www.useit.com/alertbox/990321.html
>
>>http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/web/library/us-cranky8.html?dwzone=w
eb
> >>http://www.bohmann.dk/articles/making_urls_predictable.html
> >>
> >>i think ugly urls are against the spirit of the original concept - use
> >>them if you have no other option...
> >>http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html
> >>
> >>or take your mailing address for example - yeah, it could be
> >>?1235&1234@fooboo-123@arlington@MA@USA@ but "1 Microsoft Way, Redmond,
WA
> >>98052, USA" still looks better to me :)
> >>
> >>   viktor
> >>
> >>
> >>On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:07:59 +0000, [email protected] said:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I double-dog dare you to find me a user (I mean an end user, not a
client
> >>>who
> >>>think s/he knows "what user's want") ... find me a user that actually
> >>>cares
> >>>about the URLs.
> >>>
> >>>They might care if they can't bookmark a URL and come back later.  They
> >>>might
> >>>care if the URL is broken.  But I double-dog dare you to find me a user
> >>>that
> >>>cares about the difference between "/products/food/fruit/apple" and
> >>>"/app?
> >>>service=catalog&amp;sp=food&amp;sp=fruit&amp;sp=apple".  We're not
> >>>talking
> >>>telegrams here; nobody's paying by the letter (well, maybe on WAP).
> >>>
> >>>The only difference is that users of the Tapestry app will be less
> >>>inclined to
> >>>second guess the URL construction by manually hacking the URL, and
> >>>therefore
> >>>less likely to be frustrated when it doesn't work.
> >>>
> >>>Also, the fact that users are trying to second guess and circumvent
your
> >>>application means that your app has a usuability problem ... and it
isn't
> >>>the
> >>>format of your URLs.
> >>>
> >>>You Are Not Your Users.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>--
> >>
> >>  [email protected]
> >>
> >>--
> >>http://fastmail.fm - The professional email service
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
>
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