Re: Fwd: Re: [Tapestry-developer] Tapestry and RSS
"Andrew C. Oliver" <[email protected]> Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:51:04 -0500
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I understand. I just suggest people do care about such things. Myself included. That is all. -Andy Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote: >So far, it's been either pretty URLs or templates that work in WYSIWYG >editors; I haven't found a way (even using the <base> tag) to have it both >ways. Every time I change to long URLs, encoding all the information in the >path info instead of in query parameters, something important breaks for >somebody. In addition, the way service parameters are encoded now (as >objects encoded as strings, rather than just strings) is somewhat reliant on >using query parameters. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Andrew C. Oliver" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Cc: "Tapestry Contrib" <tapestry-contrib-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> >Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:34 AM >Subject: Re: [Tapestry-contrib] Fwd: Re: [Tapestry-developer] Tapestry and >RSS > > > > >>While I don't think my opinion should count for much on this. I am in >>the URL control crowd. >>Take a look at what Cocoon does with its sitemap (xml.apache.org/cocoon). >> >>URLs are pretty important in some companies and Can be a powerful tool >>for usability. >> >>-Andy >> >>[email protected] wrote: >> >> >> >>>i'm reposting this, as it never made it to the list :) >>> >>> >>>On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:46:12 -0500, [email protected] said: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>hi, >>>> >>>>i don't know if i count as a "user" but i do like short urls, that tell >>>>about the structure of a site's information. i like it when i can easily >>>>navigate around if i get a 404 (ok, linkrot is bad too, but it's a fact >>>>of life). or jump straight to something i know is there, but have not >>>>bookmarked it (eg. i can jump to the javadoc of java.lang.String without >>>>having it bookmarked, or even bringing up the page)... >>>> >>>>as a site-builder, i like nice urls that i can send out in an email >>>>without it breaking (less than 80 chars) on certain mail readers... or >>>>print on a piece of paper and a user can type it in... simple urls make >>>>log analysis easier too. >>>> >>>>call me weird, but other's share my opinion - here's a couple of links >>>>google gave me for "url usability": >>>> >>>>http://www.useit.com/alertbox/990321.html >>>> >>>> >>>http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/web/library/us-cranky8.html?dwzone=w >>> >>> >eb > > >>>>http://www.bohmann.dk/articles/making_urls_predictable.html >>>> >>>>i think ugly urls are against the spirit of the original concept - use >>>>them if you have no other option... >>>>http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html >>>> >>>>or take your mailing address for example - yeah, it could be >>>>?1235&1234@fooboo-123@arlington@MA@USA@ but "1 Microsoft Way, Redmond, >>>> >>>> >WA > > >>>>98052, USA" still looks better to me :) >>>> >>>> viktor >>>> >>>> >>>>On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:07:59 +0000, [email protected] said: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I double-dog dare you to find me a user (I mean an end user, not a >>>>> >>>>> >client > > >>>>>who >>>>>think s/he knows "what user's want") ... find me a user that actually >>>>>cares >>>>>about the URLs. >>>>> >>>>>They might care if they can't bookmark a URL and come back later. They >>>>>might >>>>>care if the URL is broken. But I double-dog dare you to find me a user >>>>>that >>>>>cares about the difference between "/products/food/fruit/apple" and >>>>>"/app? >>>>>service=catalog&sp=food&sp=fruit&sp=apple". We're not >>>>>talking >>>>>telegrams here; nobody's paying by the letter (well, maybe on WAP). >>>>> >>>>>The only difference is that users of the Tapestry app will be less >>>>>inclined to >>>>>second guess the URL construction by manually hacking the URL, and >>>>>therefore >>>>>less likely to be frustrated when it doesn't work. >>>>> >>>>>Also, the fact that users are trying to second guess and circumvent >>>>> >>>>> >your > > >>>>>application means that your app has a usuability problem ... and it >>>>> >>>>> >isn't > > >>>>>the >>>>>format of your URLs. >>>>> >>>>>You Are Not Your Users. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>-- >>>> >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>>-- >>>>http://fastmail.fm - The professional email service >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------- >>This SF.NET email is sponsored by: Order your Holiday Geek Presents Now! >>Green Lasers, Hip Geek T-Shirts, Remote Control Tanks, Caffeinated Soap, >>MP3 Players, XBox Games, Flying Saucers, WebCams, Smart Putty. >>T H I N K G E E K . 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