Re: [kde-artists] please turn off label animations...

On Tuesday, 5 de January de 2010 21:33:11 Matthew Woehlke wrote:
> Nuno Pinheiro wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 5 de January de 2010 17:07:44 Matthew Woehlke wrote:
> >> The point of the oxygen animation is actually to reduce the
> >> obtrusiveness (it's arguable whether that works), so doing something
> >> that specifically draws /more/ attention is the opposite of what is
> >> intended. It's not (typically) necessary to draw attention to the
> >> changed label; if that is needed, it should certainly be done opt-in by
> >> the app.
> >
> > yes the idea is not to draw attention to it rather to prevent the instant
> > change that does not our in real life in real life nothing is
> > instantaneous but rather transitory
> 
> That seems dubious. When dealing with computers, changes usually take
> 1/60th of a second (or less) to complete. Why slow them down?

a slap in the face takes about that long still i find it quite annoying,

> When I turn on a light, it takes considerably less time to change state.
> I have yet to encounter a light bulb that smoothly transitions from off
> to on. And unless capacitors are involved (e.g. LED's associated with
> AC->DC convertors, e.g. laptop power supplies), most lights go from on
> to off in an imperceptibly short time.

the light bulb example is interesting, light bubs normal ones do take some 
time to reach maximum light and that makes  them more enjoyable to turn on 
than say the fluorescent kind that blink and go on. 

> Anyway, even the existing label animations are drawing my attention more
> than not having the animation. Possibly because change is occurring over
> a longer period of time.
> 
> > Matthew the oxygen animations are extremely subtle and not on your face,
> 
> You obviously do not use ksysguard. The label animations in conjunction
> with ksysguard are *seriously* obnoxious. In /general/, I find them
> (label animations) more distracting than no animation.

OK the key word here is "YOU" as "I" don't find them at all and find the 
experience more smooth with them on, so stating that it is worse as a fact is 
only based on your interpretation and personal opinion of it...  

> Maybe I'm more sensitive than you, or something... I tried turning
> animations back on, and IMO they're *all* annoying, at least enough so
> that I turned them back off right away. (50 ms for labels is less
> obnoxious though. @Hugo, thanks for that much at least.)
> 
> I still think animations on by default is bad usability. They are not
> making anything easier to use - they have no demonstrable usability
> advantage that I know of. They /can/ be annoying, which is bad for
> usability. The only "advantage" is that they look pretty, but that
> doesn't make anything more usable. ("Look pretty" is great when there
> isn't a down side... but there is, here.)

> 
> @Hugo: the animation is broken when the label changes size/position.
> (Try it with a right-aligned label, for example.)
> 
> (/me wonders about taking this thread to -usability...)
>

last thing do not use the word usability specially wen stating personal 
opinions. if you want to back that with hard study proven evidence please do 
but i don't think there is much of that, i bet if anything animations may 
improve usability, (if they are done in an non obstructive way), as in the 
ones used in oxygen. 
An enjoyable experience is part of good usability.
So what is good usability to me is probably bad usability to you, but lets 
abstain from using the word.

-- 
Oxygen coordinator  
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