Re: [KDE Usability] Size of the appmenu button in Oxygen windeco

On 11/08/2013 02:09 PM, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
> On Friday 08 November 2013 13:24:43 Heiko Tietze wrote:
>>> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 12:29:33 +0100
>>> From: Martin Klapetek <[email protected]>
>>>
>>> I actually liked the original project, which would put somewhat flat
>>> button
>>> in the windeco with the application name (was fully configurable), see
>>> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/11/oxygen-appmenu-replace-menu-with.html for
>>> screenshots.
>> Maybe I'm ignorant but what problem do you want to solve with the appmenu
>> (button)? Looking on the screenshots for the 'titlebar button' I'm afraid it
>> will be used as replacement for the main menu. That would be terrible! At
>> the appmenu I expect functions concerning the window in general, redundant
>> to the kwin task/windows bar ("Fensterleiste" in German). Not that
>> important to me to draw special attention on it.
> That button _is_ a replacement for the menu bar, but that's not what I'd like
> to discuss here. That feature is already there, though it's optional and not
> the default. I prefer a standard menu bar as well, but apparently there are
> KDE users who prefer to hide the main menu behind a button in the title bar,
> so that function has been implemented (and the way I read his recent Google+
> post [1], Martin Gräßlin has just re-implemented it for the next generation
> KWin).
> You can activate it by going to the Application Appearance KCM -> Style ->
> Fine Tuning and selecting "Title bar button" in the "Menubar style" select
> box.
>
> The problem I want to solve is that if people activate that option, they get
> their main menu hidden behind a tiny, inconspicuous button. I think that if
> people choose to hind their main menus behind a title bar button, that button
> should at least be more prominent than other title bar buttons.
>
>> The titlebar button of Oxygen is a strong visual attractor with the
>> affordance to get clicked. IMHO the button works much better on Windows
>> because of the flat design. On the other hand: there seems to be a lot of
>> users that like flat designs and could benefit from the changes you
>> propose.
>> So it should be customizable at least, if implemented.
> I don't really care that much whether it's flat or not, as long as it's
> prominent.
Why are there two threads on this topic already ?
could we try have only one ?
current play with the destinations (kde-artists and kde-usability) does 
not make the situation very ... usable.

Side note: I don't think Cedric, who is the original designer of the 
app-menu feature, is on the usability list.

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