Re: and this is from, um, an e.u. member

On Sunday 20 April 2003 12:41, dep wrote:

> it then comes down to matters of degree, where the line is drawn, what
> constitutes acting to bring down the country. countries draw that
> line in different places. some will countenance no criticism at all
> of the government. others allow just about anything short of
> preaching violent insurrection. in american history, there are two
> large examples and one small one: the american revolution, which was
> certainly treason against great britain, the civil war, which was
> certainly treason against the united states, and some of the events
> of the late 1960s and early 1970s, which by most standards would also
> be thought treasonous against the u.s. -- not the demonstrations and
> the like, but the seizure and bombing of buildings, the various
> murders committed in the name of radical factions (more often than
> not the result of internicene fighting over the purity of their, for
> instance, maoism). that those went largely unpunished (though i
> suppose kathy boudin, who gets out next year, might disagree). this
> in turn set a standard by which people believe that violence or the
> advocacy thereof is okay, so long as there is some idea, harebrained
> or not, behind it -- some cause other than personal enrichment, or at
> least appearing to be other than personal enrichment. 

I would add to this the pro-life compain in the last 20 years or so, that 
included bombings and assassinations against abortion clinics and doctors. 
According to some it paid off, because today 90% of the clinics in the US 
refuse to do abortions. 


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