Re: [Fwd: Re: checking for GTK and glib in configure.in.in ?]

Andreas Pour wrote:
> Navindra Umanee wrote:
> 
>>James Richard Tyrer <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>      Yes, new people are not welcomed ... .
>>>
>>>Is this really the way it is?  That KDE is a clique and new people
>>>are truly not welcome?
>>
>>This is the full quote:
>>
>>"Yes, new people are not welcomed but only if they misbehave. Like
>>getting in the way, when it does not help the overall goal, KDE..."
>>
>>I think he is referring to trolls/troublemakers/abusers specifically.
> 
> 
> Mr. Tyrer from my experience is an accomplished flamewar fighter, in fact he
> seems to enjoy them :-).

I wouldn't go that far.  I said that I find them amusing.  Someone, perhaps 
you, said that I shouldn't take people's remarks so seriously.  I tried 
that, and it worked.  But, it takes two to make a flame war.  If someone 
starts one, I am willing to continue it, but when I do so, I am not taking 
it seriously.  I don't know how the other party thinks of it.

> The misleading quote 

This quote is not misleading.  If new people are welcomed only under 
certain conditions, then they are NOT welcomed.  And especially if the 
condition is that they don't get in the way, to rephrase it:

	New people are not welcomed if they get in the way.

or:

	New people are welcomed only if the don't get in the way.

But, new people always get in the way.  New people have new ideas, that is 
their greatest value.  And it has been my experience that there are some 
(the "arogrant developers") that have a simple and short answer to new ideas:

	You are wrong, you don't know what your are talking about.

{It is remarks such as that that I have labeled 8^) the 'arrogant 
developer' syndrome}

And, people have (now including "Friedrich W. H. Kossebau") have strongly 
criticized my reply:

	Yes, I do know what I am talking about, I am an engineer and I
	might even know more about it than you do.

Please note how the two sides of this argument are asymmetrical.

--
JRT



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