Re: Howard Dean: The Wolf in Sheeps Clothes

On Thursday 28 August 2003 4:23 am, Andreas Pour wrote:
> "Timothy R. Butler" wrote:
> >   I do think he had at least one admirable remark: his longterm
> > dedication to Iraq. What is overlooked in these commentaries is that it
> > would be dangerous to leave Iraq now. Before a powerful -- and to use one
> > of your favorite words - -- facist government ruled Iraq keeping things
> > focused on the national interest.
>
> Actually I think the term is Stalinist, but since Communism and Fascism are
> but two apparitions of the same Empire - one derived from Nietzsche, the
> other from Weishaupt, but both funded by the same organizations - the
> difference is relatively slight.

Umm, I am puzzled by the fact that there appears to be repeated reference to 
Nietzsche as the 'father of fascism' here, given that it seems to be 
generally accepted that Nietzsche was selectively misquoted to support 
Nazism, and, as far as I am aware, had nothing whatsoever to do with the rise 
of Mussolini.

>  What they have in common is that a small
> group of elites has totalitarian power over everyone, and in a sence both
> ideologies are based on the proverbial perversion of Plato's idyllic
> philosopher-king.  In real life these "kings" tend to be Machiavellian,
> selfish, brutish beasts, like, say, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Franco and
> Hussein.



>
> > Leaving now would give the country over to radical extremists and
> > create a government probably like that of Iran or worse.
>
> You mean like Israel?
>
> >    Whether you agree with the war or not, I think we've already opened
> > the Pandora's box, as it were. I don't think we can just leave now and
> > somehow magically fix things. If we leave a generation or more will be
> > angry at us for attacking their country with the promise of fixing things
> > and then giving up without even trying to fix things.
>
> The word "Marshall Plan" comes to mind.  IMVSO (VS = Very Strong) spending
> $50 billion on reconstructing Iraq with local companies is getting us, and
> Iraq, a lot further than spending $50 billion in the next year alone on
> occupation, and whatever other billions we will spend enriching Bush and
> Cheney's favorite corporations.
>
> As far as radical extremism goes, it's just an issue of having the right
> constitution requiring separation of church and state (something which
> Keyes, who you mention below, is not to interested in).  While this
> constitution is being drafted, the US should immediately stop working on
> the oil projects, a pipeline to Israel and talk about "reparations" to Jews
> who left Iraq for the "promised land", and instead concentrate on restoring
> electricity and water, thereby demonstrating its intent to fix things and
> leave rather than to occupy the country, turn it into a military base, and
> loot the country for the multi-nationals and Israel.
>
> In terms of long-term view, Dean has this ridiculous notion that the US
> should not leave until women have "equal rights" to men in "all levels" of
> Iraqi society.  Perhaps he is too stupid to have realized that is true
> nowhere in the world, and particularly not in the US (look e.g. at the
> percentage of Senators, Representatives, Cabinet ministers, governors,
> CEOs, Chairpersons, Board members, etc. who are women) so I guess Mr. Idiot
> Supreme believes we should occupy Iraq for eternity.
>
> Moreoever I wonder if Mr. Idiot Dean favors a foreign army occupying and
> totally humiliating the US until all minorities - including Arabs - have
> equal rights in the US, to be proven by a Muslim President sitting in the
> White House.  Stupid freakin' idiotic moron, it's truly amazing someone so
> stupid can be a "contender" for the White House - but then I guess Bush
> proved that nobody is too stupid for that office.
>
> Better he keeps spending his interviews declaring and proving his Pledge of
> Allegiance to Israel, and to the International Fascism for which it stands,
> one New World Order, under the Rothschilds and Rockefellers, with Liberty,
> Justice and All Spoils of the Earth for the Chosen Elite.  :-) .
>
> > > The Demo-publican Empire continues . . . no matter who you vote for you
> > > will get the same old shit.
> >
> >   Personally, if he could ever make it to the primaries, I'd throw the
> > whole system for a loop and vote for Alan Keyes. :-)
>
> You can throw it for a loop voting for LaRouche or Buchanan as well . . . .
> At least they are not Israel-firsters, unlike Keyes, who also seems to have
> troubles grasping that Separation of Church and State applies to the States
> as well as the federal government (see his "hotspots" at
> http://www.alankeyes.com/).
>
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