Re: Howard Dean: The Wolf in Sheeps Clothes

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> > Leaving now would give the country over to radical extremists and
> > create a government probably like that of Iran or worse.
>
> You mean like Israel?

  Heh. No, I mean like Iran. :-) Israel is a bit trigger happy, but I 
certainly consider it better than Iran. 

> >    Whether you agree with the war or not, I think we've already opened
> > the Pandora's box, as it were. I don't think we can just leave now and
> > somehow magically fix things. If we leave a generation or more will be
> > angry at us for attacking their country with the promise of fixing things
> > and then giving up without even trying to fix things.
>
> The word "Marshall Plan" comes to mind.  IMVSO (VS = Very Strong) spending
> $50 billion on reconstructing Iraq with local companies is getting us, and
> Iraq, a lot further than spending $50 billion in the next year alone on
> occupation, and whatever other billions we will spend enriching Bush and
> Cheney's favorite corporations.

  I really don't care what companies they use (American companies are better 
if it is cost effective, but not if it isn't), but I do very much want to see 
a Marshall Plan-like goal. Iraq should be rebuilt better than it was before 
we came in.

> As far as radical extremism goes, it's just an issue of having the right
> constitution requiring separation of church and state (something which
> Keyes, who you mention below, is not to interested in).  While this
> constitution is being drafted, the US should immediately stop working on
> the oil projects, 

  Oil can be useful, for that matter, the oil industry is a major employer in 
Iraq.

> a pipeline to Israel and talk about "reparations" to Jews

  Neither of those should happen.

> In terms of long-term view, Dean has this ridiculous notion that the US
> should not leave until women have "equal rights" to men in "all levels" of
> Iraqi society.  Perhaps he is too stupid to have realized that is true
> nowhere in the world, and particularly not in the US (look e.g. at the
> percentage of Senators, Representatives, Cabinet ministers, governors,
> CEOs, Chairpersons, Board members, etc. who are women) so I guess Mr. Idiot
> Supreme believes we should occupy Iraq for eternity.

  I agree... that's just Dean's democratic "feel good" chatter. We ought to 
push for a constitution that allows women to participate (much like other 
Middle Eastern countries that are crawling towards at least figure head 
legislatures), but we shouldn't force our will and come up with some kind of 
gender related quotas for other there.

> Moreoever I wonder if Mr. Idiot Dean favors a foreign army occupying and
> totally humiliating the US until all minorities - including Arabs - have
> equal rights in the US, to be proven by a Muslim President sitting in the
> White House.  Stupid freakin' idiotic moron, it's truly amazing someone so
> stupid can be a "contender" for the White House - but then I guess Bush
> proved that nobody is too stupid for that office.

  Maybe you should e-mail him. :-)

> >   Personally, if he could ever make it to the primaries, I'd throw the
> > whole system for a loop and vote for Alan Keyes. :-)
>
> You can throw it for a loop voting for LaRouche or Buchanan as well . . . .
> At least they are not Israel-firsters, unlike Keyes, who also seems to have
> troubles grasping that Separation of Church and State applies to the States
> as well as the federal government (see his "hotspots" at
> http://www.alankeyes.com/).

  I'll save that for another debate (the seperation part). I'll say this 
though: the reason Keyes really impressed me had a lot to do with the way he 
responded to questioning. I remember seeing a debate or two (or maybe three) 
between him, Bush, and McCain in the 2000 election. Keyes was the only one 
that would answer the question and not just give the PR dept.-approved 
soundbyte.

  -Tim

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