Re: Howard Dean: The Wolf in Sheeps Clothes

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> [2] Quotes the religious adherents will not like so much:

  Nietzsche has always annoyed me a bit. :-)

>   "The last Christian died on the cross."

  I don't get this one.

>   "Faith: not wanting to know what is true."

  Hmm... generally faith is what is required to know what is true. Even 
scientists must have faith... lots of it, even, for them to try to figure out 
what is true, since so often you can not actually prove what is true and what 
is false.

>   "Which is it, is man one of God's blunders or is God one of man's?"

  That's the big question put in a cute way.

>   "Here the ways of men part: if you wish to strive for peace of soul and
> pleasure, then believe; if you wish to be a devotee of truth, then
> inquire."

  Inquiring is the first step to true belief.

>   "In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with
> reality at any point."

  If we are to accept relativism that the Secular Humanist crowd likes, I 
might ask, "what reality"? If there is a set reality, than Uebermensch is 
impossible and Nietzsche loses to Tim again.

>   "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."

  To say convictions are dangerous is a conviction.

>   "I call Christianity the one great curse, the one great intrinsic
> depravity, the one great instinct for revenge for which no expedient is
> sufficiently poisonous, secret, subterranean, petty -- I call it the one
> mortal blemish of mankind."

  To assume Christianity is the worst of society is to overlook a lot of 
society.

>   "After coming into contact with a religious man I always feel I must wash
> my hands."

   After reading philosophers with a bone to pick with religion, I always feel 
the need to cleanse myself as well.

>   "Two great European narcotics, alcohol and Christianity."

  Another conviction! Oohhh, Nietzsche has this enemy of truth thing down pat.

>   "Even today many educated people think that the victory of Christianity
> over Greek philosophy is a proof of the superior truth of the former --
> although in this case it was only the coarser and more violent that
> conquered the more spiritual and delicate. So far as superior truth is
> concerned, it is enough to observe that the awakening sciences have allied
> themselves point by point with the philosophy of Epicurus, but point by
> point rejected Christianity."

  If we are to assume this, then we must assume that the slow advancement of 
Secular Humanism over Christianity in society must mean that it is coarser 
and more violent and that it conquerored the more spiritual and delicate.

  Nietzsche wants it both ways. Unfortunately in doing so, his own arguments 
battle each other.

  -Tim

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