Re: Turkish Bombings

Andreas,

I'm going to respond to two themes running through your last few posts. First, 
your strange concern with identifying people's ethnic groups accurately. 
Second, your obsession with the Rothschilds.

On Wednesday 19 November 2003 01:43 am, Andreas Pour wrote:
> That begs the question, I suppose, of how you define "Jewish".  Do you use
> the definition of Israel's citizenship requirements?  Or religious beliefs?
> ethnicity? maternity?  If you use "ethnicity", do you limit yourself to
> progeny of Judah, or do you include all progeny of Abraham or even, since
> you equate Semitism with Jewish, all progeny of Shem?  If religious, do you
> include non-practicing "Jews", or agnostic / atheist "Jews", or those that
> reject the Talmud, or what do you include exactly?

Actually, in this instance,  I prefer to beg the question. If you call 
yourself a Jew  you are. And if others call you a Jew, then you are 
too--whether you like it or not. It's an imperfect definition for an 
imperfect world. It may not hold up in court, but it  works for day to day 
life and adequately encompasses the anti-Jewish beliefs and behavior of 
racists. Afterall, people like Hitler or your imaginary Osama bin Laden don't 
care whether I think of myself as Jew. If they've identified me as such, then 
I'm toast. 

And I believe that getting all worked up about the innacurracy of the term 
anti-semite is a dodge to avoid having to admit that you're anti-Jewish.  
It's like someone saying that you can't be racist against Blacks because 
genetically there's no such thing. Well, that's true. Genetically, there's no 
such thing as a "race." But I think you'd agree with me that racism against 
Blacks in the U.S. is real and dangerous. 

As for the Rothschilds:

>I am only saying the Rothschilds
>are an extremely powerful House / Kingdom; and if you bo back through the
>archives you will see that I credit them with having allies of all stripes,
>though the key players in the US tend to be Jews and WASPs.

>For you to turn that into anti-Jewish hatred, or a belief in some bad Jewish
>blood, is not only absurd (and not just b/c I have explained to you that I 
know
>"Jews" do not even share the same blood), but I consider that "Jewish
>supremacism", to wit, to criticize a Jew or group of Jews is to libel all 
Jews. 
>Otherwise, next time you critize Hitler, I will call you "anti-Austrian", and
>precisely what good will that do?  Does that make any sense?  No.  And it
>wouldn't make any more sense even if a bunch of real anti-Austrians (i.e.,
>actual racists) also criticized Hitler.

The problem with this argument is that you're not only "saying the Rothschilds 
are an extremely powerful House/Kingdom." even if you think you are. You are 
raising spectors created by long time anti-Jewish propagandists. Nor would it 
be unreasonable to study the kind of anti-semitism (that's what they called 
it) Hitler found in Austria and which he used in his rise to power in Austria 
and Germany. 

>Well we can talk about the Protocols some day, and whether or not they 
reflect
>the plans of the House of Rothschilds, as they are a very interesting item of
>study, whether authentic or not.   
<snip>

>Most interesting to me about the 
>Protocols is the amazing coincidence b/w what happened to Russia after the
>Rothschilds' Bolsheviks seized power and what is described as the plan in the
>Protocols (for those who have not seen them a copy is at
>http://truthseeker.realisticpolitics.com/nwo/protocols.htm#Protocols - and I
>would suggest for historically critical documents like this you always 
consult
>the source instead of relying on someone else's "spin" on it, but I do 
caution
>that it is quite difficult to read).

Andreas, you've just proved my point that you're writing has anti-Jewish 
elements. No responsible historian finds anything in the historical record 
matching what you say about the power of the Rothschilds in the modern world 
It's nonsense. 

Seth


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