Re: Another Censorship . . . .

> I suppose that depends on how you define "neo-Nazi".  If that is your definition
> then of course you are correct.  The reason I raise this point is that b/c the
> connection "neoNazi = evil" is so profound in the public mind, many types groups
> are called that simply to discredit them and cause others to hate them and
> dismiss their arguments.

  It's like the statement about obscenity, "I know it when I see it."
It's really clear when a group is neo-Nazi and this group is one of
them. 

> > Therefore it is not "censorship" to resist their attempts to spread their ideas.
> 
> But tell me, do you think the JDO or the neo-cons are any different?

  Well considering you consider me a neo-con, I know this wasn't
directed at me, but yes, I do see a difference. I consider myself a
standard conservative or perhaps a moderate conservative, actually, but
anyway...

  Few "neo-cons" are racist. The group you label that supports Israel,
perhaps, but not for racial reasons. "Neo-cons" are generally "color
blind" so to speak, they aren't worried about someone's race as much as
more important things that define a person: what they think, do, etc. 

> Is this any different from the *standard* Jewish view on marriage?  Do you know
> what a Jew who marries a "goyim" goes through in the Jewish community?  In the
> first place most rabbis won't even perform the ceremony, making it effectively
> illegal to marry a non-Jew.  And there are plenty of arguments about not
> inter-mixing so that "Jewisch children are still being born in the future",
> hell, I bet you can even find it in the New York Times!

  There's a difference between urging marrying within your culture
(Jewish view) and suggesting MLK providing fighting for freedom of
African-Americans will somehow destroy those of European descent. The
group that you originally mentioned and JRT quotes from is urging
something much more racist (indeed, marrying in a culture is not racist,
although it could be "culturalist," I suppose).  I can become Jewish if
I believed that was the truth, but I can't become a different race.
 
> Now I ask you, who is more of a racialist?  And please do not attack me
> personally for raising a fact about Jewish culture.
 
   Bingo.... Jewish *culture*. Jews are a Culture, a religion.
Christianity says you shouldn't marry a non-Christian too. Same deal --
it isn't a racial thing, it's a religion thing (and it makes sense in
that it avoids a lot of fighting if the married couple agree on
something as important to many people as religion). 

   Judaism is what analytical religious scholarship dub a historical or
world religion. There's a reason for that. It isn't tied to a place or,
entirely, a people. Yes, there are the Jews that have descended from the
Israelites, but it isn't a requirement before someone can become a Jew. 

  (That said, Jewish religion isn't necessarily a missionary religion
like Christianity, Islam and Buddhism, but that's another point
entirely.)
 
> Actually, I liked MLK, and I don't see what he has to do with the other point
> being raised in the excerpt you quote.  Beyond that, I don't have a problem with
> Jews (or Whites or Blacks) preferring to marry their own race / religion /
> culture / whatever, and I also don't have a problem with them peacefully arguing
> others should do as they believe (that of course is the nature of free speech). 
> However, I do have a problem with double-standards.

  There have always been limits on free speech. As people started to
push the limits, you'll find court decisions, like the one I stole a
quote from above. There is obscenity. If I was Jewish or Black or some
other group a neo-Nazi organization didn't like, I sure wouldn't want
them putting a billboard up by my shop -- I mean, this people aren't
just arguing politics here!

  -Tim

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