Re: Is there a project that is jovie successor? (fwd)
Gustav Degreef <[email protected]> Fri, 22 Oct 2021 21:52:04 +0200
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It sounds like festival is probably the culprit for Okular also. I'll try and track it down/fix it/post back. Thanks for this and for whatever you can do, Gustav On 10/22/21 8:51 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: > I bet kmouth runs festival by default. Festival has many voices from many > countries available to use. So you don't want to be running espeak or you > don't want to be running festival-server one or the other. That should > solve that problem. Somewhere in kmouth configuration it starts up > festival-server and commenting that line out ought to leave you with > espeak or espeak-ng whichever is on your machine. > It could be kmouth can be used by those that have never seen in this life. > I downloaded that redcore distro and can try installing it and see how far > I don't get. I did software testing for the federal government before > retiring so this shouldn't be too bad and have several ssd and sata disks > I can use. > > > On Fri, 22 Oct 2021, Gustav Degreef wrote: > >> Jeremy, thanks for your detailed and thoughtful reply. I really appreciate >> your taking this seriously.  I tried Kmouth again (after years). It has: >> >> 1) the same problem as Okular. It speaks the text in two simultaneous >> streams (one espeak and the second a Scottish sounding voice) of the same text >> so the output is incomprehensible. >> 2) no way to stop the speech output. No pause and no resume. >> 3) It opens a separate window, that I have to look for it on the taskbar - >> when it is in the background. >> 4) after bringing back the window (when I am in another application), I have >> to navigate to the start button (or other button), this is cumbersome. >> >> 3) and 4) might seem trivial for a fully sighted person, but for the partially >> sighted, it causes delay and frustration. A typical task I do is writing >> substantial documents and then I have Jovie read back to me the sentences, >> paragraphs or pages that I've written (many times in a sitting).  This helps >> in revising and editing any significant work. The difference in functionality >> between Jovie and Kmouth for this task (and other tasks) are pretty huge. >> >> If you can give Kmouth the same functionality and ease of use of Jovie, >> great. I appreciate your efforts, Gustav >> >> On 10/22/21 3:43 PM, Jeremy Whiting wrote: >>> Gustav, Simon, >>> >>> Thank you so much for the insight. I definitely hadn't considered those >>> cases. I'll give it some thought today and decide one of the following to >>> remedy the situation. >>> >>> 1. Add the missing features and functionality to KMouth. >>> 2. Revive Jovie and clean it up quite a bit since it has bit rotted >>> significantly in the past 5 years or so. >>> >>> I'm leaning towards 1 now since KMouth needs some love and attention anyway. >>> If we go that direction KMouth would need the following features to be >>> feature complete with the use cases described above. >>> >>> a) A queue of what will be spoken as well as control over the queue to >>> remove entries, etc. >>> b) Voice settings to be able to switch between voices quickly. >>> c) A tray icon and/or more shortcut keys to be able to speak, play, stop, >>> pause, etc. like Jovie had. >>> d) Speak clipboard contents. >>> >>> for b I really didn't like that Jovie had voice settings that were separate >>> from Speech-Dispatcher's settings. In my mind we should be able to control >>> what voice settings (language, volume, pitch, etc.) directly by manipulating >>> speech-dispatcher configuration. But for that to work the configuration gui >>> would need to directly manipulate speech-dispatcher's .conf files and have a >>> way to tell it to reload them when we change them. I'm not sure if that's >>> already implemented in speech-dispatcher itself yet or not. If not it >>> shouldn't be too tricky to add though. The other items should be pretty >>> straightforward. >>> >>> thanks, >>> Jeremy >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 4:50 AM Gustav Degreef <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Thank you Jeremy for the opportunity to address this directly. >>> >>> In my opinion, Jovie/jovie placement is indispensable for those of us >>> who are partially sighted (not blind).? In my opinion, a screen >>> reader >>> (very useful for the blind) actually gets in the way for people >>> like me. >>> ? ? Jovie does a very simple and straightforward task - it reads >>> the most >>> recent content of the clipboard.? Jovie allows for selecting text >>> (and >>> reading it out) in virtually all of the major applications/tasks (and >>> virtually all others) that a primarily desktop user needs for >>> every day >>> use.? Those functions/tasks where? jovie/replacement is needed are: >>> >>> 1) Text edit/read - in my case (imc) Kate >>> 2) e-mail client - imc thunderbird >>> 3) browser - imc Firefox >>> 4) pdf reader - imc Okular >>> 5) word processor - imc LibreOffice >>> 6) text from "program to user output" (error messages, text boxes, >>> command line output, etc). >>> 7) miscellaneous programs not so often used. >>> >>> In my experience/opinion: >>> Kmouth is cumbersome and unwieldy and requires too many steps. >>> using the command line adds several steps that disturb the flow of >>> work, >>> it is not simple to have to switch windows and then have to type a >>> command. >>> >>> Indispensable (for partially sighted) aspects of Jovie or Jovie >>> replacement: >>> >>> 1) SIMPLE interface with as few clicks or steps or commands to get >>> speech output. - ideal use is with mouse or keyboard shortcut. >>> Currently >>> jovie takes three simple steps with mouse or keyboard shortcut - text >>> select, text copy,? then start/etc. speech output. >>> 2) being able to select all or ONLY part of a piece of text - with >>> the >>> mouse or shortcut. >>> 3) Easily start/stop and pause/resume speech output with mouse or >>> shortcut. >>> 4) Sits in system tray or functions from menu that appears on right >>> click of mouse (or keyboard shortcut). >>> >>> >>> There are currently add ons to programs that COULD fulfill most of >>> these >>> requirements,? however they do not all work well: >>> >>> 1) ) Kate - no plugin, no built in function for tts. >>> 2) Thunderbird - Read Aloud plugin: very limited, it reads the ENTIRE >>> message with some headers. Does not allow for selecting a portion >>> of the >>> text, can't stop, can't pause/resume.? Totally inadequate for a >>> bottom >>> posted list message. >>> 3) Firefox - Read Aloud plugin:? works quite well, has all needed >>> functions. >>> 4) Okular - nice built in tts function, easy to select text, right >>> click >>> mouse to output speech.? However it outputs (at least on >>> opensuse) two >>> simultaneous speech streams (of the same text) with different >>> voices and >>> it is impossible to understand. >>> 5) LibreOffice - has a tts plugin but it is cumbersome and adds >>> several >>> steps.? It has a nice feature to output the contents of the >>> clipboard >>> but it requires too many steps. >>> 6) program to user output - kmouth or command line seem the only >>> alternative to Jovie >>> 7) miscellaneous programs (with no plugins or built in tts)? - >>> same as 6) >>> >>> It seems clear that a lot of developers are aware/are working on >>> tts for >>> various programs, and that is very encouraging and great. However, >>> it is >>> a time of great transition and the tts functions (without Jovie) are >>> quite inadequate for the partially sighted (for example, from macular >>> degeneration which is fairly common). Thanks, Gustav. >>> >>> On 10/22/21 1:56 AM, Jeremy Whiting wrote: >>> > Hello all, >>> > >>> > I've been quietly watching this conversation for a bit but need to >>> > chime in here. I'm the one that changed the name from ktts to Jovie >>> > many years ago. Then deprecated Jovie itself when QtSpeech came >>> about. >>> > I'm very curious about what use cases there still are for Jovie. >>> > Shortly before the name change from ktts to Jovie it was >>> drastically >>> > changed to just be a gui on top of Speech-Dispatcher. QtSpeech as a >>> > library does the same thing but has no gui, is only useful from >>> > applications. My question is what do you use Jovie for exactly? >>> Here >>> > are the ways replacements using QtSpeech "Just Work" in my mind. >>> > >>> > Want to hear notifications from any KDE application like Jovie/ktts >>> > did? Turn that on in the application's notifications >>> configuration. It >>> > uses QtSpeech to speak the notification, title, message or both. >>> Just >>> > like it did previously with ktts/jovie. >>> > Want to read a document out loud? Use Okular's QtSpeech actions in >>> > it's menu. It sends either the selected text or the current page >>> to be >>> > spoken to Speech-Dispatcher directly for listening to the document. >>> > Want to read out loud a web article of some kind? Use Firefox's tts >>> > features to read it out to you. It doesn't use QtSpeech, but >>> interacts >>> > with speech-dispatcher directly if I recall correctly. >>> > Want to type some text and hear it spoken? This can be done in a >>> > number of ways. 1. spd-say command line tool. 2. espeak or >>> espeak-ng >>> > or festival, or pico or any other tts directly from command >>> line. 3. >>> > Use KMouth if you prefer to have a gui. KMouth uses >>> speech-dispatcher >>> > directly if I recall correctly and provides a nice gui with a >>> > customizable dictionary of commonly used words, etc. >>> > >>> > With the above, what is the use of Jovie anymore? If there's a use >>> > case that isn't covered by the above we can certainly revive >>> Jovie and >>> > fill the gap if there is one, but in my mind the above uses are >>> > already covered. >>> > >>> > thanks, >>> > Jeremy Whiting >>> > >>> > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 4:15 PM Jude DaShiell >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >>> > >>> >? ? ? Quite agree with you on that score.??? A new version of >>> redcore >>> >? ? ? Linux is >>> >? ? ? available for download and it has a very current kernel >>> and its >>> >? ? ? default >>> >? ? ? desktop is kde plasma.??? Maybe one thing jovie might do >>> when >>> >? ? ? started up is >>> >? ? ? to locate something like espeak-ng or espeak or >>> speech-dispatcher and >>> >? ? ? start those up first then come up on its own.??? If it finds >>> >? ? ? speech-dispatcher maybe remind the user to run spd-conf >>> to get >>> >? ? ? speech-dispatcher configured correctly but could generate >>> a default >>> >? ? ? spd.conf file and let the user know that it's there and maybe >>> >? ? ? reconfigure >>> >? ? ? if problems arise. >>> > >>> > >>> >? ? ? On Thu, 21 Oct 2021, Gustav Degreef wrote: >>> > >>> >? ? ? > Festival was not much of an improvement in voice >>> quality.??? >>> >? ? ? Embrola, as you >>> >? ? ? > say, was too difficult to configure.??? I'll check out >>> Fenrir, >>> >? ? ? and tdsr but the >>> >? ? ? > voice quality is TOTALLY secondary - a smoothly working >>> >? ? ? jovie/espeak (or >>> >? ? ? > equivalent) is quite adequate to get things done.??? >>> Which in >>> >? ? ? theend is really >>> >? ? ? > the important thing. Gustav >>> >? ? ? > >>> >? ? ? > On 10/21/21 1:56 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: >>> >? ? ? > > fenrir and tdsr are a couple more to check out and >>> mbrola and >>> >? ? ? festival can >>> >? ? ? > > maybe help the human speech situation though not easily >>> >? ? ? configured. >>> >? ? ? > > >>> >? ? ? > > >>> >? ? ? > > On Thu, 21 Oct 2021, Gustav Degreef wrote: >>> >? ? ? > > >>> >? ? ? > >> Actually, Jovie replaced ktts quite some years ago.???? >>> >? ? ? Qtspeech is supposed >>> >? ? ? > >> to >>> >? ? ? > >> be a partial replacement, but there is no frontend >>> program to >>> >? ? ? manage the >>> >? ? ? > >> output of speechdispatcher (like Jovie). ??? e-speak >>> works >>> >? ? ? fine for me, but >>> >? ? ? > >> bothers everyne else who listens to my computer >>> outptut (my >>> >? ? ? partner and >>> >? ? ? > >> friends).???? e-speak is clear enough, just does >>> not sound >>> >? ? ? like a person.??? >>> >? ? ? > >> Good, >>> >? ? ? > >> I'll look into espeak-ng, thanks! Gustav >>> >? ? ? > >> >>> >? ? ? > >> On 10/21/21 11:04 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote: >>> >? ? ? > >>> I had read somewhere ktts was supposed to have replaced >>> >? ? ? jovie.??? Also, >>> >? ? ? > >>> espeak-ng is a successor to espeak.??? It's good >>> you got any >>> >? ? ? of this >>> >? ? ? > >>> working. >>> >? ? ? > >>> >>> >? ? ? > >>> >>> >? ? ? > >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, >>> 21 Oct >>> >? ? ? 2021 04:36:27 >>> >? ? ? > >>> From: Gustav Degreef <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >? ? ? <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> >>> To: Simion >>> >? ? ? > >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>, >>> >? ? ? [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> >? ? ? Subject: Re: Is there a >>> >? ? ? > >>> project that is jovie successor? >>> >? ? ? > >>> >>> >? ? ? > >>> Hi Simion, >>> >? ? ? > >>> >>> >? ? ? > >>> Thanks for your input and effort.????? ????? I >>> carefuly looked >>> >? ? ? over everything >>> >? ? ? > >>> you >>> >? ? ? > >>> mentioned, including the script but it has taken me >>> a long >>> >? ? ? time.????? ????? I >>> >? ? ? > >>> only >>> >? ? ? > >>> have a >>> >? ? ? > >>> rudimentary?????? knowledge of >>> scripts.????? ????? ????? So >>> >? ? ? modifying or writing >>> >? ? ? > >>> scripts >>> >? ? ? > >>> is beyond >>> >? ? ? > >>> my current possibility, especially with my vision >>> >? ? ? problems.????? ????? But it >>> >? ? ? > >>> really >>> >? ? ? > >>> helped me to look everything over.????? ????? I >>> decided the >>> >? ? ? best way was to go >>> >? ? ? > >>> back >>> >? ? ? > >>> to >>> >? ? ? > >>> trying to install it from the opensuse >>> repos.????? ????? I had >>> >? ? ? failed the first >>> >? ? ? > >>> time and >>> >? ? ? > >>> created a great confusion in my setup. But it was a >>> spare >>> >? ? ? "test" setup on >>> >? ? ? > >>> a >>> >? ? ? > >>> separate partition.????? ????? I spent a lot of >>> time cleaning >>> >? ? ? up the repos, >>> >? ? ? > >>> updating and >>> >? ? ? > >>> cleaning up. And now Jovie works on opensuse >>> 15.3!????? ????? >>> >? ? ? The packages come >>> >? ? ? > >>> from >>> >? ? ? > >>> unofficial repos, but someone else with the tech >>> knowhow has >>> >? ? ? put it >>> >? ? ? > >>> together.????? ? >>> >? ? ? > >>> I am "forced" to upgrade soon, since the opensuse >>> 15.2 EOL >>> >? ? ? is soon.????? ???? >>> >? ? ? > >>> But >>> >? ? ? > >>> now I >>> >? ? ? > >>> can move forward hopefully for another 1.5 years, >>> the life >>> >? ? ? of 15.3 until a >>> >? ? ? > >>> better solution comes.????? ????? I hope you or >>> someone else >>> >? ? ? can help come up >>> >? ? ? > >>> with >>> >? ? ? > >>> a >>> >? ? ? > >>> replacement for Jovie.????? ????? Thanks for your >>> >? ? ? efforts.????? ????? Gustav. >>> >? ? ? > >>> p.s. I'm posting back on the list in case it may help >>> >? ? ? someone else. >>> >? ? ? > >>> >>> >? ? ? > >>> On 9/13/21 1:13 AM, Gustav Degreef wrote: >>> >? ? ? > >>>> On 8/30/21 7:15 PM, Simion wrote: >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> Hi Gustav, >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> I personally would try to compile it, if I am >>> unable I >>> >? ? ? would try first a >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> simple bash script, the issue with next script is >>> that is not >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> queuing????????????? the tasks so you can get 2 >>> speakers at >>> >? ? ? the same time >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> or >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> you >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> can edit the script to "killall" previous taks (so an >>> >? ? ? application that >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> runs >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> in background would be needed to improve the >>> experience) >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> #! /bin/bash >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> xclip -out -selection primary | xclip -in >>> -selection clipboard >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> xsel --clipboard | tr "\n" " " | espeak >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> #end script >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> or maybe python or nodejs >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> I am tempted to write something to do some >>> cleanup on the >>> >? ? ? input, >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> like when I want to read an entire reddit page of >>> omments >>> >? ? ? would be nice >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> if >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> I >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> could????????????? clean it up????????????? >>> first and remove >>> >? ? ? all the >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> "reply/report >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> ..." buttons labels >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> The reason I decided that in future I would use >>> espeak is >>> >? ? ? because in my >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> current configuration jovie uses speech >>> dispatcher and >>> >? ? ? speech dispatcher >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> uses >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> espeak , Qt5 is a new extra layer so a new placed >>> that >>> >? ? ? could cause >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> problems >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> (but yes Qt5 would be nice to have if you plant >>> to write a >>> >? ? ? cross >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> operating >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> system desktop application). >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> I have no plans to upgrade from my system >>> >? ? ? soon,????????????? maybe when I >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> will >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> upgrade my computer or I am forced to upgrade. >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> You probably need to install and configure >>> espeak, the >>> >? ? ? language and >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> speed, >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> you can have a key bind to????????????? run the >>> script, you >>> >? ? ? can modify the >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> script >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> to????????????? add something like "killall >>> espeak" to stop >>> >? ? ? the previous >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> Sorry I can't help more. >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> Regards, Simion >>> >? ? ? > >>>> Hi Simion, >>> >? ? ? > >>>> >>> >? ? ? > >>>> Thanks for taking the time and for your effort. >>> >? ? ? > >>>> >>> >? ? ? > >>>> >>> >? ? ? > >>>>> On 8/28/21 11:42 PM, Gustav Degreef wrote: >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> Hi Simion, >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> Thanks for your detailed reply.????????????? I use >>> >? ? ? opensuse leap 15.2 >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> with >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> KDE >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> plasma 5.18.6, Qt 5.12.7. ????????????? Jovie >>> continues to >>> >? ? ? work fine even >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> though >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> it has been deprecated.????????????? However, >>> it no longer >>> >? ? ? works on >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> opensuse >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> 15.3 and 15.2 end of life is in December this year. >>> >? ? ? Someone has built >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> packages for Jovie on the Open Build Service of >>> Suse, but >>> >? ? ? I could not >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> get >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> it >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> to install properly, I think it's due to the Qt >>> changes, >>> >? ? ? I got a >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> dependency >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> mess. >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> I have been trying to find a replacement for >>> Jovie for 3 >>> >? ? ? years at >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> least, >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> since it was clear it would no longer be >>> >? ? ? maintained.????????????? Read >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> Aloud >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> is >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> a plugin for Firefox that fills all the browser >>> needs. >>> >? ? ? Thunderbird also >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> has >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> a Read Aloud plugin, but it only works for >>> single emails >>> >? ? ? and top posted >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> replies, list messages, etc.????????????? It >>> reads only >>> >? ? ? from top to >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> bottom >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> without being able to select only parts of the >>> >? ? ? mail.?????????? >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> LibreOffice >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> has a text to speech plugin that even reads the >>> clipboard >>> >? ? ? contents, but >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> it >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> is cumbersome.???????????? Okular has a nice TTS >>> function, >>> >? ? ? but it often >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> starts >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> two different simultaneous but voices of the >>> same text >>> >? ? ? which can't be >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> understood.???????????? Sometimes id functions >>> >? ? ? fine.????????????? That is >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> where I >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> use TTS the most, and periodically to read out error >>> >? ? ? messages, text >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> boxes >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> etc (for which Jovie is indispensable and for >>> which I >>> >? ? ? don't have an >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> adequate >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> substitute). >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> Any suggestions????????????? Perhaps to compile >>> Jovie from >>> >? ? ? a tar >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> binary?????????????? Or are you seriously >>> thinking of >>> >? ? ? building a >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> replacement >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> for >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> Jovie? Thanks, Gustav. >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> On 8/26/21 12:01 PM, Simion wrote: >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> Hi, no problem , >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> btw my name is Simion no Simon, don't worry it >>> is OK >>> >? ? ? just want to >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> mention >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> it to prevent issues like typos in emails >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> I still use Jovie, from my fork with a few >>> crash fixes >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> I have some scripts that I use directly espeak . >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> I was not yet forced to give up on Jovie but my >>> >? ? ? conclussion was to not >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> use >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> Qt if I have to write my own replacement, >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> since I would not need some crossplatform >>> solution I >>> >? ? ? could probably >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> make >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> a >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> python application , or even something that >>> runs in the >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> >>> browser???????????????????????????????????????????????? >>> >? ? ? or nodejs. >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> But for now on my distro I can still compile >>> jovie , I >>> >? ? ? have a keyboard >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> with >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> multipmedia keys so my workflow is to copy >>> paste stuff >>> >? ? ? in clipboard >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> and >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> using my keys I can play/pause/resume. I still use >>> >? ? ? espeak as backend >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> with >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> voice speed set to max. >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> On 8/26/21 12:37 PM, Gustav Degreef wrote: >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> Hello Simon, >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> I saw your old message on the accessibility >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> >>> list.???????????????????????????????????????????????? I >>> >? ? ? also have >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> serious >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> eye >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> problems, though I am not >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> >>> blind.???????????????????????????????????????????????? I >>> >? ? ? have been >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> using >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> Jovie >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> for most of my computer time for years and I >>> am trying >>> >? ? ? to find a >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> replacement for >>> >? ? ? it.???????????????????????????????????????????????? In >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> my >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> situation a screen reader is not >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> >>> suitable.??????????????????????????????????????????? >>> >? ? ? Excuse me for >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> writing >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> you >>> >? ? ? directly.???????????????????????????????????????????????? >>> Can I ask >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> you >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> more about this >>> >? ? ? issue?????????????????????????????????????????????? >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> Gustav >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> On 5/12/18 10:18 AM, Simion wrote: >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> Hello, So I know that jovie is not be ported >>> to KDE5 >>> >? ? ? and that the >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> idea >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> is >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> to use QtSpeech, I can't find if someone >>> started a >>> >? ? ? replacement for >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> jovie >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> that uses QtSpeech yet. >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> I plan to investigate QtSpeech and see if it >>> works >>> >? ? ? properly on >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> Linux, >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> if >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> there is no such a project started is there any >>> >? ? ? interest in it? >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> >>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> >>> >? ? ? > >> >>> >? ? ? > >> >>> >? ? ? > >>> >? ? ? > >>> >? ? ? > >>> > >>> >> >>