Re: Finding a new troubleless name for KSokoban

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Friedrich W. H. Kossebau <[email protected]>, 24 A=C4=9Fu 2022 =C3=87ar, 16:=
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> Hi,
>
> with no more code change needs pressing right now, last night I went
> deeper
> into the ML archives to entertain me some more about the history of
> KSokoban.
> The entertainment though ended after a bit, when I hit discussions talkin=
g
> about renaming KSokoban to avoid legal issues around trademarks.
>
> So far, having seen lots of apps offering this game logic using "sokoban"
> as
> part of their name, I assumed that term simply references the game
> principle,
> otherwise lawyers would have already wiped out those usages. I.e. having
> already reached public domain in some way, like "chess", "go", etc.
>
> But looking around I found reason to believe that indeed we better change
> the
> app name, to avoid potential issues. I don't think we should document the
> reason in public here for now, to avoid waking up interested parties when
> not
> yet needed.
>
> So hurra, name finding ahead... 8)
>
> Reversed name:
> KNabokos, following the pattern of Kapman, Ksirk?
> Seems "nabokos" is already used as term in the name by some other related
> games apps, so might help mapping the game type. Though it also is used
> for
> the reversed game logic variant, so might be misleading then.
>
> Descriptive original name in other language:
> "Sokoban" seems the English transcription of the Japanese term for
> warehouseman/storekeeper/warehousekeeper. Unclear to me though whether it
> actually refers to the person doing the moving or the one organizing it.
> The rewrite Magazynier here already offered one alternative language name=
.
> Though having no own relation to the Polish language and also not the
> current
> app implementation, so we might want to check also other languages.
> Starting with English, due to it being one of world's "lingua franca"s,
> even
> more in software, one better uses a prefix or postfix, in KDE commonly K.
> Or
> switching some letter to "k" where it works (often "c" or "g").
> So could be KStoreKeeper, KWarehouseKeeper, KWarehouseMan (or some sex-
> ignoring variant like KWarehousePerson). Among these KStoreKeeper would b=
e
> my
> current favourite due to shortage.
> For other languages, when only used mainly by locals, one might try the
> name
> without a prefix or postfix, might work without collisions at least in th=
e
> rest of the world
> Starting with the original author's language (guessed by the email addres=
s
> :)), dictionaries propose lagerarbetare, lagertj=C3=A4nsteman,
> lagerf=C3=B6rest=C3=A5ndare.
> Quite some syllables and letters, which seems too hard for non-native
> speakers?
> Next German (being locale speaker), Lagerist seems quite short, might be
> candidate (k'fied Lakerist will not work I think :) )
> Without further own serious relations to languages, I looked at
> translations
> as shown by wiktionary.org. There came across skladn=C3=ADk and felt attr=
acted:
> two "k"s ;), two syllables only, 8 letters only, might self-explain acros=
s
> all
> the speakers of slavic languages also, well, the latin script readers
> among
> them at least (I guess, sadly never finished learning one). No related
> trademarks registered on first checks. And at least in English & German n=
o
> offensive meaning of that word known to me. Also has good lexical and
> phonetic
> distance (or what it is called) to other KDE app names, so low risk of mi=
x-
> ups.
>
> Descriptive other name in any language:
> One could also use other references for the game principle, relocating
> items
> by pushing them in a constraint environment. Or just parts of it. Or for
> instances in the current realization. Think GemPusher,
> For now I though think sticking to the original metaphor helps most to
> make
> people discover this implementation of the game principle and understand
> the
> relation to others.
>
> Fantasy name:
> Always possible, but no triggers for own ideas here right now.
>
> So far my first-day thoughts on the matter. And "Skladn=C3=ADk" being my =
first
> choice right now.
>
> Your input desired here :)
>
> Cheers
> Friedrich
>
>
>

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0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
with no more code change needs pressing right now, last night I went deeper=
 <br>
into the ML archives to entertain me some more about the history of KSokoba=
n.<br>
The entertainment though ended after a bit, when I hit discussions talking =
<br>
about renaming KSokoban to avoid legal issues around trademarks.<br>
<br>
So far, having seen lots of apps offering this game logic using &quot;sokob=
an&quot; as <br>
part of their name, I assumed that term simply references the game principl=
e, <br>
otherwise lawyers would have already wiped out those usages. I.e. having <b=
r>
already reached public domain in some way, like &quot;chess&quot;, &quot;go=
&quot;, etc.<br>
<br>
But looking around I found reason to believe that indeed we better change t=
he <br>
app name, to avoid potential issues. I don&#39;t think we should document t=
he <br>
reason in public here for now, to avoid waking up interested parties when n=
ot <br>
yet needed.<br>
<br>
So hurra, name finding ahead... 8)<br>
<br>
Reversed name:<br>
KNabokos, following the pattern of Kapman, Ksirk?<br>
Seems &quot;nabokos&quot; is already used as term in the name by some other=
 related <br>
games apps, so might help mapping the game type. Though it also is used for=
 <br>
the reversed game logic variant, so might be misleading then.<br>
<br>
Descriptive original name in other language:<br>
&quot;Sokoban&quot; seems the English transcription of the Japanese term fo=
r <br>
warehouseman/storekeeper/warehousekeeper. Unclear to me though whether it <=
br>
actually refers to the person doing the moving or the one organizing it.<br=
>
The rewrite Magazynier here already offered one alternative language name. =
<br>
Though having no own relation to the Polish language and also not the curre=
nt <br>
app implementation, so we might want to check also other languages.<br>
Starting with English, due to it being one of world&#39;s &quot;lingua fran=
ca&quot;s, even <br>
more in software, one better uses a prefix or postfix, in KDE commonly K. O=
r <br>
switching some letter to &quot;k&quot; where it works (often &quot;c&quot; =
or &quot;g&quot;).<br>
So could be KStoreKeeper, KWarehouseKeeper, KWarehouseMan (or some sex-<br>
ignoring variant like KWarehousePerson). Among these KStoreKeeper would be =
my <br>
current favourite due to shortage.<br>
For other languages, when only used mainly by locals, one might try the nam=
e <br>
without a prefix or postfix, might work without collisions at least in the =
<br>
rest of the world<br>
Starting with the original author&#39;s language (guessed by the email addr=
ess <br>
:)), dictionaries propose lagerarbetare, lagertj=C3=A4nsteman, lagerf=C3=B6=
rest=C3=A5ndare. <br>
Quite some syllables and letters, which seems too hard for non-native <br>
speakers?<br>
Next German (being locale speaker), Lagerist seems quite short, might be <b=
r>
candidate (k&#39;fied Lakerist will not work I think :) )<br>
Without further own serious relations to languages, I looked at translation=
s <br>
as shown by <a href=3D"http://wiktionary.org" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"=
_blank">wiktionary.org</a>. There came across skladn=C3=ADk and felt attrac=
ted:<br>
two &quot;k&quot;s ;), two syllables only, 8 letters only, might self-expla=
in across all <br>
the speakers of slavic languages also, well, the latin script readers among=
 <br>
them at least (I guess, sadly never finished learning one). No related <br>
trademarks registered on first checks. And at least in English &amp; German=
 no <br>
offensive meaning of that word known to me. Also has good lexical and phone=
tic <br>
distance (or what it is called) to other KDE app names, so low risk of mix-=
<br>
ups.<br>
<br>
Descriptive other name in any language:<br>
One could also use other references for the game principle, relocating item=
s <br>
by pushing them in a constraint environment. Or just parts of it. Or for <b=
r>
instances in the current realization. Think GemPusher, <br>
For now I though think sticking to the original metaphor helps most to make=
 <br>
people discover this implementation of the game principle and understand th=
e <br>
relation to others.<br>
<br>
Fantasy name:<br>
Always possible, but no triggers for own ideas here right now.<br>
<br>
So far my first-day thoughts on the matter. And &quot;Skladn=C3=ADk&quot; b=
eing my first <br>
choice right now.<br>
<br>
Your input desired here :)<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
Friedrich<br>
<br>
<br>
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