Re: getkde.org...excellent!

2011/11/8 Dion Moult <[email protected]>:
> On Tue, Nov 08, 2011 at 04:26:42PM -0800, Carl Symons wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Dion Moult <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > Thanks for the feedback :) A lot of work will be going into this next week as
>> > real life calms down.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Nov 08, 2011 at 05:56:39PM -0500, Algot Runeman wrote:
>> >> On 11/08/2011 11:53 AM, Tomaz Canabrava wrote:
>> >> > About the translucent mouseovers, I think they are too translucent, I
>> >> > couldn't read easily ( but yeah, my eyes are not the best ones. )
>> >> The translucent images work reasonably well, but the text is much too
>> >> pale. Another set of old eyes, checking in. In some cases, the mouseover
>> >> image isn't clear and the text overlies other text. Like the concept,
>> >> though.
>> >
>> > Good point, I shall make the text larger and add some depth for contrast to make
>> > it readable.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> The navigation at the bottom is better for me. The mouseover darkens the
>> >> text which starts pale.
>> >>
>>
>> Are others on the web team involved? How about anyone who's working on
>> the messaging? I'd really like something other than "Make Your Mark".
>> However, I haven't really thought about what it should say, and we
>> haven't socialized this around KDE.
>
> I am/will be discussing further with the rest of the web-team on how to bring
> this further cohesively with the neverland project. Things are still a little
> unsure now. Perhaps it is a question of semantics and people see this as a
> "fork" instead of just another neverland's developer's work. Hopefully will get
> resolved soon.
>
>>
>> There are people working on various aspects of getting the KDE word
>> out. We should definitely pull in people from development and folks
>> like toscalix who have been doing some hard thinking about how we
>> approach various segments of the KDE community (and potential
>> members). The website is one of the primary vehicles for communicating
>> about KDE. Even though it takes longer, it would be good to get input
>> from other smart KDE people.
>

I appreciate your perspectives. They also serve to indicate why I
think that it's important to bring more people into the conversation
rather than just creating a web presence without such consultation.
More below...

> Definitely agree. Here are a couple of other ideas which will be brought about
> in the project:
>
> - How to communicate: use the form that's most relevant for you.

My point is that the Dot reaches out to people. People who are likely
already involved in KDE or FOSS. The KDE website is the primary focus
for people who are seeking information of all kinds about KDE. kde.org
may be the most important window into KDE for ordinary people.
Newcomers are not aware that there are various forms of communication
to choose from.

>  Windows/Apple/Linux. Our job is to promote KDE, not convert people into Linux
>  users. Make this clear at the very beginning, not later.

I'm not sure about this strategy. I've dealt with quite a number of
people who want to know about Linux first. They want to know how to
get rid of the OS that came on their system. If they come with that
viewpoint, that's the viewpoint I address. With the website being the
primary entry point for such people, it's important that people can
get what they came for.


> - Ensure users understand the separation between Applications, Interface, and
>  Infrastructure. Only bother them with what they're interested in. Some want an
>  app. Some want widgets, bling, and window management. Some want semantics.

Most people I talk with and support with KDE are not interested in
these distinctions (Applications, Interface, Infrastructure). Yes, yes
to addressing what they're interested in. To my original point, some
people may be interested in participating in what KDE
does...particularly users.

> - Connect with the community: an embedded IRC client. "Say Hello". _This_ is how
>  it should work. Make it a celebration. "Welcome to KDE!"
> - Pitch free first, open-source second. Not because open-source isn't important,
>  it's because understanding how to "pitch" is everything.

Nope. Free doesn't matter. Freedom maybe, no cost is not interesting.
To a newcomer, "there ain't no such thing as a free lunch" is in the
front of their mind. Open source doesn't matter. Users typically don't
even understand what open source is, let alone how it benefits them.
Every one of the people I support wants an easy computing experience
first. They want their computers to serve them, not the other way
around.

Understanding how to pitch. Yes. What is the message? There are
thousands of people in the KDE community who have talked to others
about KDE. What do people want to hear? What can we tell them so that
they understand KDE. They understand the benefits and the pitfalls.
They are free to do what they want. The kde.org website as the primary
communication vehicle needs to reflect this...whatever it is.

People come for the
>  product, stay for the community. People don't join a community, then ask what
>  activities they do. (Actually, there are techniques on how to pitch that too,
>  but involve too drastic a change in KDE which is unrealistic).
> - etcetc. Too long for an email.

I had 2 conversations today where community was the primary focus. The
main thing people were after. It wasn't about technology, but rather
about the city and its surroundings. I definitely would not dismiss
the idea that people would be drawn to a community where they can have
their technology needs satisfied, a place where they are welcome and
have a sense of belonging.

Carl

>
> Any other unique methods of representing KDE are very welcome. Bart, who is
> working on neverland has developed an "Install" button that detects PackageKit
> and sorts everything out automagically. Now _that's_ cool :)
>
>>
>> Thank you again, Dion. I really like how this looks.
>>
>> Carl
>
> Cheers and thanks for the encouragement.
>
> --
> Dion Moult
>

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