Re: KDE Program for a FLOSS-oriented CS curriculum

Are there any accounts you are aware of regarding creating an internship
program, Jeremy?

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 7:55 PM, Jeremy Whiting <[email protected]> wrote:

> Not to be negative, but before starting an endeavor like this it may
> be useful to read Jos' chapter in Lydia's "Open Advice" book (pdf can
> be downloaded from the website iirc) I read it recently and it
> discusses exactly this sort of project, and why it didn't end up
> getting anywhere. Maybe some lessons could be learned from that of
> what not to do. ;)
>
> BR,
> Jeremy
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Harold Schreckengost <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > If that is the case, it is a good start, but ideally we'd speak to ones
> who
> > have no vested interest in this project, as well.
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Aleix Pol <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:31 AM, Harold Schreckengost <[email protected]
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> > I think it goes beyond just not knowing entirely how to teach the
> >> > material.
> >> > Programs want their students to be prepared for what the world will
> >> > expect
> >> > of them, and if we can't provide material and resources to help them
> >> > prepare
> >> > their students for the real world, we will see very little traction,
> >> > even
> >> > among supporters.
> >> >
> >> > I feel like the best place to start with an initiative like this,
> >> > outside of
> >> > just talking about how great it would be, would be to talk to relevant
> >> > educators and get their input.
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Aleix Pol <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Sandro Andrade <
> [email protected]>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > Hi there,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I've been thinking about the process by which newcomers start doing
> >> >> > their contributions in KDE. In spite of some minor exceptions, I
> >> >> > guess
> >> >> > undergraduate students are still the majority of such potential
> >> >> > contributors. However, different universities around the world vary
> >> >> > from zero to very intense incentives not only to the adoption but
> >> >> > also
> >> >> > to focus their academic activities towards FLOSS applications.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Certainly many possible causes for such zero adoption of FLOSS in
> >> >> > universities are out of our immediate control, but I think we have
> >> >> > chances for addressing another ones. What I've seen, at least in
> >> >> > Brazil, is that most CS professors are either not interested in
> FLOSS
> >> >> > or perhaps interested but completely unaware about how things work
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > how they would correlate FLOSS with the subjects taught in their
> >> >> > courses.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Cutting right to the chase, I was wondering if the availability of
> a
> >> >> > high quality and comprehensive "KDE Program for a FLOSS-oriented CS
> >> >> > curriculum" would help in any way the number of CS students doing
> >> >> > their work using KDE software. In practical terms, we initially
> would
> >> >> > have to agree on a common CS curricula (hopefully that is expected
> to
> >> >> > be easily identified) and then document, for each curriculum
> >> >> > component, the KDE technologies that would be either inspiring
> >> >> > sources
> >> >> > for analysis or potential cases to apply, as contributions,
> concepts
> >> >> > related to that curriculum component.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Some examples:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > - For a "Data Structure" and "Graph Theory" courses: we  would
> >> >> > document possible contributions in Rocs or the main implementation
> >> >> > aspects of Qt container classes.
> >> >> > - For a "Design Patterns" and "Software Architecture" courses: we
> >> >> > would describe how patterns have been used across KDE software and
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > tactics adopted in outstanding architectures of applications like
> >> >> > KDevelop, Qt Creator, Plasma, KF5, and many others.
> >> >> > - For a "Software Quality" and "Project Management" courses: we
> would
> >> >> > explain the quality assurance process adopted in Qt and KDE
> >> >> > communities, along with the tools, standards, and procedures that
> >> >> > support the process.
> >> >> > - For a "Computer Graphics and Image Processing" course: we would
> >> >> > point out contributions possibilities in kdenlive, krita, and so
> on.
> >> >> > - For a "Compilers and Programming Paradigms" course: we could
> >> >> > explore
> >> >> > the grantlee parser automata and/or the QML interpreter.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The ultimate goal would be having a detailed set of guidelines
> about
> >> >> > how to adopt KDE as a central case study in CS courses. Obviously,
> >> >> > that would require some time investment and the help of those of
> you
> >> >> > who knows a lot about KDE solutions.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > By now, I would like to hear from you about two initial questions:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 1) Do you experience this same scenario in your
> >> >> > countries/universities
> >> >> > and consider this problem 'pervasive' enough to demand a global
> >> >> > endeavour from our community ?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 2) Do you think such a 'KDE Program' is worth and would help in
> >> >> > fostering the adoption of KDE in universities and in alleviating
> some
> >> >> > initial contribution barriers ?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Cheers,
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Sandro
> >> >> >
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> >> >> Hi!
> >> >> I think it's a good initiative, this could go somewhere, if it's done
> >> >> with
> >> >> love.
> >> >>
> >> >> Personally, I think that narrowing down to Computer Science isn't
> >> >> fundamental. What is really important is to have a common format so
> >> >> that we can work on different things in parallel. THE reason why many
> >> >> schools haven't adopted our software isn't that it isn't good enough
> >> >> or even that the teachers aren't familiar with it. THE reason is that
> >> >> they don't know what to do with it, having to come up with what to
> >> >> teach is enough reason to throw them back, even if they like the
> >> >> software or the project.
> >> >>
> >> >> Now my question is: how can we make it easy to come up with this kind
> >> >> of content?
> >> >>
> >> >> Aleix
> >> >>
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> >> I might be wrong, but I think that one of the reasons why Sandro
> >> raised the issue, is because he's an educator himself.
> >>
> >> Aleix
> >>
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