Re: Questions regarding dot and planet

Am Sonntag, 03. Mai 2015, 02.04:53 schrieb Jens Reuterberg:

Morning Jens and Co

> Ok about redesign/recommunication - we in the VDG has been sort of pushing
> for one for a while - with some initial snags every here and there.
> 
> As for outside communication - there are a ton of tricky bits that need to
> be addressed.
> Do the KDE community want a change of communication? I mean for you and me
> Harold, a change in communication is obviously needed and I think we both
> see why the current state of communication is sort of lackluster but we
> still have to "flow to the whim of the great magnet" and see more clearly
> how KDE as a whole want this to go.

Just some thoughts about this. It's for sure good to ask others in KDE about 
what they think and if we should change a part of our communication. But on 
the other side in KDE it is like in most Free Software communities. The ones 
who do decide and mostly decide best as they know what they do. This means if 
the promo, marketing and design people here (and I don't really think that I'm 
one of them but I agree with you ;-) think that we should change part of it 
and your willing to work on it don't expect an ack from the wider KDE 
community.

You're KDE as well and it's great that we don't have just tech-people in KDE 
but other people as well so yes, please do it.

> From my POV - KDE's communication may be brilliant if you are technically
> minded. I don't know since I'm not technically minded. The dot,
> paradoxically has always been where I went for info and then read between
> the lines essentially. Not because its great, but because it is the news
> source available.
> Aside from that we do have to, as you (Harold) point out, rely to press
> which of course moves communication straight out of our hands.
> 
> What all this essentially boils down to is what the KDE community want from
> communication and in the long run what the aim for KDE should be. This is a
> subject we have talked at length about but its a very uphill thing. For the
> people INSIDE the community the issue seems often to be "how to get people
> to read our things" instead of "how to write things people would like to
> read" - and then the natural debate of what "people" you are talking about
> pops up again.
> 
> We managed to push through "simple by default, powerful when needed" in
> regards to Plasma - as some kind of focus to fling a coat - but even that
> is fairly... lets just say that as communication goes its something that
> may be popped on businesscards but not actually communicated.
> 
> My point is: we have a severe problem with communication (with all that
> communication entails, inside and out) and even though there are a few
> quick fixes they are gaffa tape slapped on the holes of Hoover Dam.
> But this has to be something that comes from the community in some way - as
> one single thing instead of smaller entities putting out the most
> disastrous fires when they flare up.

So start small. I don't know if this fits the Hoover Dam comparison as I don't 
know if you can fix a big dam with small patches but in the end it's just a 
comparison.

But don't expect from all the developers in KDE to know what how they want the 
communication about their products to be. Probably a survey could help here 
with some pre-formed questions and answers. But in the end it's really the 
design, promo and marketing people that know best their job as developers now 
best their job.

Best regards
Mario


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