Re: KDE Neon and how to handle this?

Come now, you know better than that.  :)

The damage was already done.  I heard from multiple representatives,
from various distro projects, with the same concerns as what I laid
out in the article.  The reasons for the concerns were obvious and the
concerns themselves justified.  I write.  I publish.  I do my best to
work with projects to help them avoid these sorts of pit-falls... but
I wouldn't be doing my job if I hadn't written this article.  And I
did so in a very fair way, all things considered.

Should also be noted that I write and speak positively about KDE with
great regularity.  All without talking to the board first.  In fact...
this is the first time I've felt it necessary to contact you.  And I
am *amazed* that I had not been contacted by anyone on the board.
*That* is a huge problem for KDE.

KDE did this damage to themselves.  Don't shoot the messenger.
Especially when the messenger is a good -- but very bluntly honest --
friend.

-Bryan

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Martin Klapetek
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Bryan Lunduke <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> 2) The response to my criticism of the "KDE Neon" project was met with
>> anger and hostility.  Which is fine.  But it was also responded to, by
>> the leader of the project, with personal attacks.  None of which
>> addressed the underlying concerns.  Now, I'm a big boy.  Riddell can
>> be a bully to me if he wants to... I can take it.  But it makes KDE
>> look bad.  Very, very bad.  And that is not cool.
>
>
> To be honest, I'm surprised by this email just like you were
> with the announcement. What actually makes KDE look bad
> is you publishing a bashing article and *then* asking the questions.
>
> I mean you could have asked for clarification before tearing
> down something you don't like, coming here afterwards trying
> to point fingers because your rant didn't work...that's just silly.
>
>>
>> The way I see it, there needs to be a clear distinction made between
>> "KDE" and "KDE Neon".  I would go so far as to make a public statement
>> that the views of "Neon" do not represent the KDE community and the
>> KDE community does not support their statements or actions.
>
>
> I assume this is because of the "we feel it offers the best technology".
> I actually see nothing wrong with that. Just like you *feel* your distro
> is the best, that's why you're using it.
>
> But sure, I can see why it makes you angry and nothing wrong with
> rephrasing that sentence.
>
>>
>> It may seem silly.  And it may seem obvious to those of you "on the
>> inside" of KDE.  But the rest of the world is not seeing this
>> distinction.  It needs to be made in stark, undebatable terms.
>
>
> Yes, now with your negative article going around the internets,
> now it needs to.
>
>>
>> Again.  I love you guys.  Love what you do.  And some of my dearest
>> friends are among your members.  I want to help here.  If you need any
>> assistance in drafting statements or coming up with the right
>> wording... please don't hesitate to ask.
>
>
> If you want to help, please come to us first. Tell us what could be
> improved.
> We can work together on improving things. Not after the damage has been
> done.
>
> Cheers
> --
> Martin Klapetek | KDE Developer
>
>
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